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#196 MadHatter

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 03:40 PM

No actually you don't got it. I was replying nonsense to a post that was complete nonsense.


No I get it....you claim to have something revelational to say, but you are not going to say it because the intital post was lacking.

Claim to have something good to say.....say it brother. We are all waiting.

#197 Sloth

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 03:52 PM

Luck and RGIII are real QBs, Newton isn't...perhaps he will be one day.


So both Luck and Griffin will have better rookie seasons than Newton?

Luck is only hitting 54.2% of his throws for a QB rating of 77.1. Newton, even with his bad year to date is 58.8% percent/80.9 rating. Rookie season he was 60% percent/84.5.

Griffin has been better to date (69.1%/101 rating) but is already getting concussions from trying to scramble/run because he's tiny. You can already tell he won't be able to have the type of rush game Newton will because he'll break in half at some point.

Newton had a bad game. It happens. We're running a poo offense. Newton has run a pro set with very good results before (rookie season). I think that has something to do with the regression. Either way, wanting to bench/trade/sit him goes beyond idiotic into "mild retardation" territory.

It's funny how many of the "BUSSSTTTTTTTTTTTT" 2011 draft assholes/pissed off Bama/Gamecock homers are resurfacing lately.

#198 communist

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 06:20 PM

So both Luck and Griffin will have better rookie seasons than Newton?

Who cares about rookie seasons???

Luck is only hitting 54.2% of his throws for a QB rating of 77.1. Newton, even with his bad year to date is 58.8% percent/80.9 rating. Rookie season he was 60% percent/84.5.

The stat says that a certain amount of pass attempts is not completed. It DOESN'T tell you whether it's Luck's fault or not.
Luck does not have a better o-line or a feared running play. He has only got Wayne.

Griffin has been better to date (69.1%/101 rating) but is already getting concussions from trying to scramble/run because he's tiny. You can already tell he won't be able to have the type of rush game Newton will because he'll break in half at some point.

Who cares about QB-rush??? Do you really wanna tell me that a Brady, Brees or Manning (pick one) relies on scrambles that much?
Furthermore, you can't tell anything about how injury-prone a player is 'til he had several injuries of the same type...

Newton had a bad game. It happens. We're running a poo offense. Newton has run a pro set with very good results before (rookie season). I think that has something to do with the regression. Either way, wanting to bench/trade/sit him goes beyond idiotic into "mild retardation" territory.

Nobody cares about the rookie season at all. And we arent talking about ONE crappy game...I count three already.

It's funny how many of the "BUSSSTTTTTTTTTTTT" 2011 draft assholes/pissed off Bama/Gamecock homers are resurfacing lately.

Whoever you are referring to...

#199 Marguide

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 06:54 PM

Seattle has a very good defense, right up there with San Francisco, and that's in spite of having a poor offense. Prior to the Seattle game, Cam had a 64% completion rate, 10 points higher than Luck and 4 points better than his record setting rookie year.

As others have said, I'm embarrassed by much of what I've read in this thread by people who call themselves Panther fans. One of my favorites was the comment that Cam was beaten by a 5th round rookie. Football is a team game. It's not 1 on 1 hoops. But apparently that is too difficult for some to grasp.

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 07:36 PM

Ok lets say you bench Newton, who you starting Derek or Jimmy?

#201 The Special One

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 07:46 PM

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#202 communist

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 06:45 AM

Seattle has a very good defense, right up there with San Francisco, and that's in spite of having a poor offense. Prior to the Seattle game, Cam had a 64% completion rate, 10 points higher than Luck and 4 points better than his record setting rookie year.

Who has got a poor offense?

#203 Marguide

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 08:07 AM

Who has got a poor offense?


Seattle. And yes, it is harder for a team to have a good defense when the offense cannot stay on the field.

Edit: Just checked and Seattle is currently ranked 1 on defense and 27 on offense.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 08:39 AM

I admit I personally don't care for Cam Newton, but those calling for his job and those saying he is the greatest QB ever are equally misguided I believe.

Cam is a second year QB and without a doubt from what I have seen from him he is going through a sophomore slump. Not for those who don't know what a sophomore slump it, let me explain it. A sophomore slump is not because Cam has regressed as a player. Its because Cam now has over a year and 5 games of tape for defensive coordinates to scout. These DC making their living looking at tape where Cam has done poorly, Tendencies or on a play the results just where negative. They use this game film to attack the young QB. Over the next year Cam will be tested week in and week out to overcome these issues and with a good coaching and hard work he will.

All QB experience even Matt Ryan, and so will Luck, to what degree is determined by how cerebral the QB is and how well the coaches are able to coach him out of these issues. Going through this is important and Cam will only get better with hard work and time, and only the future can tell us if he will.


The colts are a much worst team than the Panthers and if you don't believe check out their record a year ago, the reason Luck has done so well is he has been groomed to be a QB since birth. His father was an NFL QB himself. So Luck is already a very seasoned player who has been given a tons of special coaching most players won't.

Cam still deserves time and patience, but people need to quit blaming the damn team only Cam is their leader. The offense is based around Cam. There is a reason this team doesn't run a more traditional offense and its not because the other skill players are not able to do it.

The coaches are coaching an offense tailored made for Cams skill set and will continue until next year I think, hopefully for Panther fans Cam builds from this year and is able to run a more traditional offense next year.

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Some of the Cam fans and none Panther fans remind me of Atlanta's MV7 fans from years ago, not good.

#205 Keith Moons Liver

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 08:40 AM

I think Luck and RG3 will be better because they have real coaches. Cams coaches will do everything in their power to ruin his career.

#206 Sloth

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 09:42 AM

Who cares about rookie seasons???


Which other season of Luck/Griffin am I supposed to compare? Their third? Cam's fourth?

The stat says that a certain amount of pass attempts is not completed. It DOESN'T tell you whether it's Luck's fault or not.
Luck does not have a better o-line or a feared running play. He has only got Wayne.


Right. Our beastly OLine. 1 spot above Indy in run blocking and like 18 or 19 below them in pass pro. We are better at running. Wayne is a better WR than Smith at this point in their careers and it's not like we're overflowing with talent after Smith.

Who cares about QB-rush??? Do you really wanna tell me that a Brady, Brees or Manning (pick one) relies on scrambles that much?
Furthermore, you can't tell anything about how injury-prone a player is 'til he had several injuries of the same type...


Being able to run !== not being able to throw. I'm going to put out a guess that you were one of those posters who disappeared for most of last season while Newton was playing very well. He ran the pro-set absolutely fine his rookie season. And yeah, I can tell you there's a concern about Griffin taking shots because the exact same fuging thing happened to him against Texas Tech his previous year - scramble, shot to the head, concussion. I'm not even bashing on Griffin here.. I love that guy and most of my family are Skins fans.. but he's going to have to learn to avoid taking hits even more than Newton because he's just not built to absorb them.

Nobody cares about the rookie season at all. And we arent talking about ONE crappy game...I count three already.


Three crappy games, two good games and two crushing mistakes (fumble and low throw). Also most of the previous season of pretty good play. But lets throw that out and focus just on the Giants/Seahawks games because lol.

Whoever you are referring to...


Yeah, what an outlandish thing for me to say.


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