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#31 TheGreatestOfAllTimeCam

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 07:51 PM

These threads only pop up and only have credibility after a bad game like yesterday. Start this thread topic after we roll up 28 or 35 points. This gimmick offense didn't go 5-20 through 3 quarters yesterday the player did.


The player had a bad game and 5-19 stretch because this offense doesn't allow the QB to get into a rhythm. You watch football, yes? You should know thats a hallmark of the spread offense. It's been discussed ad nauseum where I live (Columbus) because the Buckeyes run the spread offense with lots of offensive zone reads just like my NFL team.

It works in college. It doesn't work in the NFL.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 07:59 PM

I've defended the read-option as a solid, viable PLAY in our playbook. I do agree we need to expand and get away from some of the tricky, long-developing gimmicks like the double screens and the fake reverses every game. A trick play every few games is fun and it WILL work if it is executed...but trying 1 or 2 each game gets you nowhere. We need to get back to some more conventional stuff alongside our shotgun package. We went more under center this past week and we had some success, but the OL still isn't run-blocking too well. That needs to improve. If we can't run, we're screwed. Not because Cam can't handle it. It's because NO QB can operate when he is the ONLY weapon being utilized. Receivers can't get open if you don't have the play-action to work with, and in order to get play-action working, you have to be able to run. We need more roll outs. We need more consistency under center with our run game/quick passing game. These are things that need to be in place for ANY QB. Cam is above average as a QB and stellar as a football player. Don't lean on that though. Utilize everything and allow him to take games over by setting him up for that. Chud just needs to get his head out of his ass.

#33 pstall

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 08:00 PM

totally agree with del on the flat being there.

also it seems like losing shockey is bigger than we think because two solid te's were a great security blanket for cam.

#34 beastson

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 08:03 PM

We need a WR, at this time point 2 WR

2 first round pick WR's



The huddle is back, yaaahhh

#35 Dilated_chakra

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 08:10 PM

To me just as big of a problem is too many deep routes and Cam not taking what's underneath. The middle is there.


This!! It is this simple! Rivera said it too. Easy fix. Get ready to smash Dallas , go on a run just enough to get playoff hopes up only to crush ours souls.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 08:20 PM

We should've ran more screens IMO, We need a OC that runs a little bit of Foxball mixed with the Air Coryell passing attack. I can see the read option working on a limited basis. Mainly used once we establish the run. If we can establish the traditional ground attack, then we can suck in LBers and hit them with PA. But to use the read option to establish the run, is hurting our running game.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 08:23 PM

Me thinks Cam is seriously pissed at the garbage Chud has him running as opposed to last year.
As Zod alluded Cam needs to play in a real Pro offense. Otherwise after Cam's 4 year contract is up we'll be hoping the Pickle is ready to start. Cam will be playing somewhere else. And no Hurney has no clue how to deal with a player who doesn't want to play for the Panthers and is Franchise tagged. See Julius Peppers and 2 lost years.
The greatest rookie performance ever last year was no fluke. Hey Chud, just pull the game tape from last year and call the same 30 plays you called to start any game you choose and see what happens.

#38 beastson

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 08:24 PM

It still go back to the preseason like I said. I don't give a damn about it being in the pre-season, we didn't run this crap and looked way better than what we do now

So we can run it

#39 Marguide

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 08:34 PM

I honestly don't know if it's simply the plays called, or Shockey's absence, or a sophomore slump for Cam, or any one of the other theories being thrown out.

The only thing I know for sure is other than Olsen and Bell, all our other offensive players are performing worse this year than last. That tells me the players are not comfortable with what they are doing now. They've lost all confidence. When it happens to almost all of the starting players, it tells me we have a serious coaching problem.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 08:39 PM

its so much, all the years i coached sports i would tell kids its hard to when you are expected too. it just is. but if you can get over that hump then you amost get a runners high in terms of just getting into your groove and make the other team adjust to you.

right now the Panthers are not setting the tempo or dictating anything on either side of the ball.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 08:39 PM

The college offense is not killing Cam. Rivera is killing Cam.

#42 TheGreatestOfAllTimeCam

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 08:43 PM

The most likely place that Cam can get hurt is sitting in the pocket. He has great awareness in the open field. The place he is vulnerable, because he is good at keeping his concentration downfield and ignoring the rush, is being blind-sided on a sack.


fallacy.

#43 Khaki Lackey

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 08:51 PM

The college offense is not killing Cam. Rivera is killing Cam.

How so, exactly?

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 09:07 PM

This is not Coryell. What we ran last year was Coryell with some tweaks to suit Newton's abilities.

This year's offense is different, almost exclusively a college style zone read, and it's just not working.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 09:12 PM

If this team comes out of the Bye looking unprepared we should riot.

I'm already pretty convinced Rivera isn't the long term option, but his resume' forces a small part of me to cut some *SOME* slack. But if this teams looks flat and unprepared vs Dallas in two weeks, I want him gone. End of story.


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