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#31 Matthias

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 04:31 PM

You don't demote hc.


Why not? There's a first for everything, I believe it would work out for both parties. Rivera doesn't have to move again, and we don't have to look for another DC.

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 04:31 PM

cowher. Neither ryan brother unless it's anything but head coach

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 04:32 PM

LOL - My thread which was coincidently titled was locked after a couple days.

People need to get their heads outta their asses regarding Rivera.

First, as I stated in my thread, I am not wishing any sort of ill will on RR and I'm not crossing my fingers for a change. This is based on two reasons:
1. It's still too early to fairly critique Rivera as a HC.
2. It's not in Mr. Richardson interest to fire people. He doesn't have a history of doing this. I believe that he feels that if he's going to pay you, he wants you at least attempting to earn it. See: John Fox

but back to RR: I know that the manic, hot and cold huddle is not the best means of collecting a sample, but there is growing sentiment about Rivera here. The MFCEO is even aboard the coaching change train. I'm not a big fan of WFNZ but they are even talking about this now.

The coaching has been more bad than good since RR has got here and at times he looks over whelmed. Not to mention his lack of emotion is starting to really bother me. If fans notice it and feed off of this lack of emotion in games, what the hell do you think the players are doing?
I appreciate a level headed, even keel approach during game days, but damn dude would it kill you to get fired up after a game? or after a play? or DURING the game?

Under Rivera, the Panthers have regressed fundamentally (IMHO) and have become complacent. I don't see a killer instinct and I try to convince my self that I feel a desire and see hungry collection of players as you'd expect with a young team, but sadly I don't feel those are there either.

Rivera has also at times shown a lack of knowledge of coaching fundamentals in game. Extremely poor clock management and questionable play calling. I don't understand his negligence towards the RB corp with the amount of money invested in the group. More evidence of his coaching abilities is the regression (yeah, I said it) of Cam Newton. The coaching staff had a full year and uninterrupted off season to teach and talk to him and look how that's worked out.

Sure, Marty is as much to blame (IF NOT MORE!!) but right now, RR does not appear to be a head coach that can get the team over the hump. Do you think Mr. Richardson would like to go back and maybe pursue Jim Harbaugh over Ron?

Combine poor coaching with poor management and that my friend is a winning recipe for a losing franchise - which is exactly what the Panthers have been for 5 years.

#34 philw5289

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 04:36 PM

perfect HC canidate

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 04:48 PM

perfect HC canidate


I mean we stole his playbook last season haha

Kuechly = Icebox

#36 Mr. Scot

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 04:49 PM

No Gruden.

No Cowher.

The Ryans are great coordinators, lousy head coaches.

Seriously doubt Rivera is fired next season.

If he is, outside of Mike Zimmer, not much out there.

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 04:52 PM

erin andrews

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 04:54 PM

Why not? There's a first for everything, I believe it would work out for both parties. Rivera doesn't have to move again, and we don't have to look for another DC.


You can't demote a HC dude. That's crazy talk. You have to fire a guy for a fresh start and a clear new leader for the team. It would create an identity crisis for the team and players.

#39 Matthias

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 05:11 PM

You can't demote a HC dude. That's crazy talk. You have to fire a guy for a fresh start and a clear new leader for the team. It would create an identity crisis for the team and players.


I think it could work. The only thing would be whether or not Rivera would accept. If he accepts, it would work out perfectly. Of course all of this is just ideas we are talking on, just something to throw out there.

We already have an identity crisis, and it's because Rivera is not a head coach. Rivera would make the best decision of his life if we offered him DC position, because no one would make him a HC after this season. The best he could hope for is DC. Why not take the job if it's there, won't have to move or interview with another team. I'm looking at it from Rivera's perspective by the way.

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 05:14 PM

it's a shame that the huddle wasn't down longer.

#41 BeasonBeastingBacks

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 05:17 PM

Hire me as GM and HC
I'll get this poo fixed :rolleyes:

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 05:18 PM

I think it could work. The only thing would be whether or not Rivera would accept. If he accepts, it would work out perfectly. Of course all of this is just ideas we are talking on, just something to throw out there.

We already have an identity crisis, and it's because Rivera is not a head coach. Rivera would make the best decision of his life if we offered him DC position, because no one would make him a HC after this season. The best he could hope for is DC. Why not take the job if it's there, won't have to move or interview with another team. I'm looking at it from Rivera's perspective by the way.


You are the only person who thinks that demoting the HC to the DC and bringing in a new HC would work.

When a HC is brought in he wants to bring in his own guys that can help implement his system and philosophies.

If the Panthers brought in a new HC - do you think he would honestly consider the move without being able to bring in one of the most important positions with him? Come on dude.

#43 Matthias

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 05:26 PM

You are the only person who thinks that demoting the HC to the DC and bringing in a new HC would work.

When a HC is brought in he wants to bring in his own guys that can help implement his system and philosophies.

If the Panthers brought in a new HC - do you think he would honestly consider the move without being able to bring in one of the most important positions with him? Come on dude.


With all that taken in consideration, if Rivera would accept the position, it would work. Rivera is no scrub when it comes to defense, he's been top notch in the past. Any HC candidate would be stupid not to consider having Rivera around, if he was willing to be DC. The reason why our defense stinks so much, is because our players stink. Our safeties can't tackle, we only have one decent corner, and half our linebackers (the strong part of our defense) are coming back from injury. If Rivera would accept, he's definitely a top notch DC. (So all of what you're saying is taken into consideration. Unless we signed a defensive minded coach, then your statement would be valid)

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 05:32 PM

You don't demote hc.


Thats one thing I never understood. Instead of firing HCs why dont GMs just put them back at the coordinator position where they flourished? I mean look at Jack Del Rio, its not like he got another HC gig elsewhere, he went to Denver to be a defensive coordinator. Is it some unwritten rule or something that you dont move a HC into a offensive/defensive coordinator position within the same organazation? Kind of like, you never drop the soap in jail. I mean you cant really say its a pride thing because they are going to be a coordinator anyway. Why not just with the same team you already know as HC? Never understood that

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 05:39 PM

Jake Delhomme.


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