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#46 rayzor

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 03:12 PM

Oh my god

Just go take a look at the contract Landry signed for on rotoworld. And Reggie Nelson. For starters, both of their contracts are for less than what Godfrey is being paid.

lets don't forget carlos rodgers the year before.

we should have signed him and there's been quite a few others we could/should have signed who would have really helped.

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 03:25 PM

At this point in the game Im starting to realize its not Hurney or Rivera, its JR. A lot of what has taken place points to this and its a troubling sign for our future. Why in any other world would a GM sign two starting RBs 20 LBs and forget CB and the Dline. Also on draft day why would we trade away picks when the plan is to build from the draft. If Hurney is not fired this year we will know the truth.

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 05:57 PM

I could of swore you posted something very similiar to this last year..

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 08:05 PM

Season's Over


If you're still defending Hurney by now, it's high time you get your head examined.
...You need to have a clue as to whats wrong in order to fix it...he doesn't get it.

Ron Rivera is a Bad Head Coach.
...he isn't who we thought he was, so if you want to fire him, then fire his @ss!
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Cam Newton is Being Utilized Poorly.
... yea, they are just riding him like a horse...


Have you realized up until now that there's no positive correlation between how much talent you have at RB and how many wins you have?
... nother colossal Hurney failure, one of many which is why we are in this pathetic shape.
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Kuechly should be the MLB from now on.
... he plays great there but don't think he will be able stand up to the punishment..



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Posted 10 October 2012 - 09:03 PM

GREAT POST!!!!!
Agreed with everything.
Cam is being underutilized. How many people have seen Cam throw a fade at the end zone to one of his receiver? Have we ever seen Cam throw a fade since his time here? NO!

Rivera has done a very poor job at developing Cam into a pro style QB.


I feel like I saw him throw two fades in a row to Lamont Bryant after he caught that huge pass in preseason... Could be wrong though.

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 09:13 PM

OP is spot on. It's unfortunate, but it is reality.

Normally, former coordinators have learned enough about game management to eliminate that as an issue. I really can't remember another coordinator turned head coach that seemed as unprepared as Rivera on game day. He flat out doesn't understand clock management, 2 minute drills, when to accept/decline penalties, etc. How is that even possible? How can you spend that much time around the game and not understand some of the most fundamental stuff?

I rewatched part of the Seattle game last night. There was a sequence when either we were in the red zone or Seattle was. I don't remember off hand except that it was a red zone situation. The camera flashed to the sideline, and Ron was there watching the field with his normal blank look, then out of the corner of his eye, he noticed an assistant next to him working on a player's helmet. So Ron turns to him and starts to help him with the helmet. It was a critical part of the game, and yet Ron had no focus on the field action at all, to the point that he could be distracted by somebody working on a damn helmet.

We have to make a change day 1 after the season is over.


Lol at Rivera fixing a helmet. I was at the game and when Rivera walked on the field and the assistant handed him a red challenge flag to use incase he needed it during the game.. Rivera looked as though he had no idea what he was being given. Like he was being handed a bloody maxi pad and he didnt know what to do with it.

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 10:32 PM

OP is spot on. It's unfortunate, but it is reality.

Normally, former coordinators have learned enough about game management to eliminate that as an issue. I really can't remember another coordinator turned head coach that seemed as unprepared as Rivera on game day. He flat out doesn't understand clock management, 2 minute drills, when to accept/decline penalties, etc. How is that even possible? How can you spend that much time around the game and not understand some of the most fundamental stuff?

I rewatched part of the Seattle game last night. There was a sequence when either we were in the red zone or Seattle was. I don't remember off hand except that it was a red zone situation. The camera flashed to the sideline, and Ron was there watching the field with his normal blank look, then out of the corner of his eye, he noticed an assistant next to him working on a player's helmet. So Ron turns to him and starts to help him with the helmet. It was a critical part of the game, and yet Ron had no focus on the field action at all, to the point that he could be distracted by somebody working on a damn helmet.

We have to make a change day 1 after the season is over.


If our future coach is already with us we need to make the change now.

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 10:42 PM

Therein lies the problem. We are stuck with Marty. And if Marty is fired, who does JR bring in?



Doesnt matter at this point - we are stuck with the bodies we have now and the high dollar contracts those bodies have in writing

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 01:46 AM

Signed a three-year, $8.25 million contract

lets don't forget carlos rodgers the year before.

we should have signed him and there's been quite a few others we could/should have signed who would have really helped.


Carlos Rogers Defensive Back 3/13/2012: Signed a four-year, $29.3 million contract.
Charles Godfrey Defensive Back 9/9/2011:Signed a six-year, $28.7 million contract
Reggie Nelson Defensive Back 3/18/2012: Signed a four-year, $18 million contract.
Dawan Landry Defensive Back 7/29/2011: Signed a five-year, $27.5 million contract.

Haruki Nakamura Defensive Back 3/16/2012: Signed a three-year, $4.8 million contract

Sure, we could have sign any of those guys instead of Godfrey for about the same money. And Gamble and Rogers sure sounds nice at cbs. However, how does the safety combination of Martin and Naka sound to you???

It is not Godfrey that is the problem (although you could argue that he is overpayed). It is the other safetly spot (regardless if Naka or Martin plays).

Please let me know what safety we should have signed in the 3 years $4.8M contract region?

And while you are at it please add a three-year, $8.25 million contract (Ron, Dwans in undisclosed) DT and a cb for about $2M a year (which is what we could make room for with some cuts as we are starting a minimum wage rookie now).

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 02:04 AM

Carlos Rogers Defensive Back 3/13/2012: Signed a four-year, $29.3 million contract.
Charles Godfrey Defensive Back 9/9/2011:Signed a six-year, $28.7 million contract
Reggie Nelson Defensive Back 3/18/2012: Signed a four-year, $18 million contract.
Dawan Landry Defensive Back 7/29/2011: Signed a five-year, $27.5 million contract.


I think what Rayzor is referring to is 2011. Many of us wanted Rogers signed when he was a FA in August of 2011. He went to SF on a one year deal for just over $2 million.

As to Godfrey, he was drafted in the 3rd round the same year as DeCoud, Atlanta's safety. Both were re-signed last year. DeCoud, who has been the better player, was resigned for an average of $3.5 million per year. Godfrey averages $4.8 million. What are we getting for that extra $1.3 million per year?

Maybe no one wants to play here and Marty has to overpay. But please don't try to convince us that Marty isn't paying more than most teams to retain "talent", while at the same time ignoring reasonably priced FA's other than lower level guys.

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 12:50 AM

Signed a three-year, $8.25 million contract

Carlos Rogers Defensive Back 3/13/2012: Signed a four-year, $29.3 million contract.
Charles Godfrey Defensive Back 9/9/2011:Signed a six-year, $28.7 million contract
Reggie Nelson Defensive Back 3/18/2012: Signed a four-year, $18 million contract.
Dawan Landry Defensive Back 7/29/2011: Signed a five-year, $27.5 million contract.

Haruki Nakamura Defensive Back 3/16/2012: Signed a three-year, $4.8 million contract

Sure, we could have sign any of those guys instead of Godfrey for about the same money. And Gamble and Rogers sure sounds nice at cbs. However, how does the safety combination of Martin and Naka sound to you???

It is not Godfrey that is the problem (although you could argue that he is overpayed). It is the other safetly spot (regardless if Naka or Martin plays).

Please let me know what safety we should have signed in the 3 years $4.8M contract region?

And while you are at it please add a three-year, $8.25 million contract (Ron, Dwans in undisclosed) DT and a cb for about $2M a year (which is what we could make room for with some cuts as we are starting a minimum wage rookie now).


The consequences of overpaying your own players are far-reaching. Talent at FS is a vacuum due in part because we're paying Godfrey this ridiculous contract. There are very few people in their second contracts on this team that are actually worth what they're being paid.

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 09:01 AM

Signed a three-year, $8.25 million contract

Carlos Rogers Defensive Back 3/13/2012: Signed a four-year, $29.3 million contract.
Charles Godfrey Defensive Back 9/9/2011:Signed a six-year, $28.7 million contract
Reggie Nelson Defensive Back 3/18/2012: Signed a four-year, $18 million contract.
Dawan Landry Defensive Back 7/29/2011: Signed a five-year, $27.5 million contract.

Haruki Nakamura Defensive Back 3/16/2012: Signed a three-year, $4.8 million contract

Sure, we could have sign any of those guys instead of Godfrey for about the same money. And Gamble and Rogers sure sounds nice at cbs. However, how does the safety combination of Martin and Naka sound to you???

It is not Godfrey that is the problem (although you could argue that he is overpayed). It is the other safetly spot (regardless if Naka or Martin plays).

Please let me know what safety we should have signed in the 3 years $4.8M contract region?

And while you are at it please add a three-year, $8.25 million contract (Ron, Dwans in undisclosed) DT and a cb for about $2M a year (which is what we could make room for with some cuts as we are starting a minimum wage rookie now).

Godfrey certainly is a problem. Again, don't let bad FS play confuse the situation. Godfrey can't cover or tackle....he is just an athlete who makes random plays. The lack of consistency when Godfrey is on the field has been a liability for years now. Worst starting S since he entered the league.....everyone else that plays as bad has been benched or let go. Panther fans just look across the field and say well he is better than Nakamura so he is good

#58 rayzor

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 12:10 PM

Godfrey certainly is a problem. Again, don't let bad FS play confuse the situation. Godfrey can't cover or tackle....he is just an athlete who makes random plays. The lack of consistency when Godfrey is on the field has been a liability for years now. Worst starting S since he entered the league.....everyone else that plays as bad has been benched or let go. Panther fans just look across the field and say well he is better than Nakamura so he is good

godfrey is an average at best safety getting paid like one of the best. now i can see paying CJ, williams, stewart, and beason like we did if it's recognizing the talent that they have and wanting to keep talent here. but godfrey? meh...

godfrey should be playing corner, imo. probably same with martin. i just don't see either of them or nakamura as being what we need at safety.

godfrey's contract, though, is going to hamper our ability to bring in someone that deserves it and who could earn it.

if it were up to me, this offseason we would go after the best (or one of the 2-3 best) free agent safeties and then pick one up very early in the draft. that position, more than any, needs a massive overhaul.

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 01:04 PM

Dude, we HAVE a "Matt Millen". You want to settle for garbage because you're afraid of getting more garbage?

That said, about Cam in the Red Zone. We all know his amazing runs last season in the Red Zone. But I wonder if Chud is doing what he's doing for a reason. Don't get me wrong, I love Cam and know he can ball. But does anyone else worry he can't make those short throws yet? Wasn't that a knock on him coming out of college? Hell, he ran it all the time at Auburn too in goal or 3rd and short situations. I know his body is built for it, but there may be a crappy reason that's what we usually see from him. He missed horribly this past week. And if it's not that sort of pass, it's to the sideline to LaFell or Smitty with a CB all over them.

Can Cam make these passes REGULARLY? Please, convince me, someone. I'm worried.



As to the short "touch" passes......no he cannot.

Cam has a rocket arm, much like Favre, but he has not quite figured out the touch passes yet. He may never.

The passes that go over LB's and sit down in front of S's is what makes QB's like Brady and Brees so hard to defend. That does take time to get used to, but Cam really needs to work on it.

If we don't have any deep threats on the outside, we have to adopt a shorter passing game. Right now I don't trust Cam to be able to do this.

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Posted 15 September 2013 - 09:20 PM

Season's Over

If you're still defending Hurney by now, it's high time you get your head examined.

Ron Rivera is a Bad Head Coach.

Cam Newton is Being Utilized Poorly.

Have you realized up until now that there's no positive correlation between how much talent you have at RB and how many wins you have?

Kuechly should be the MLB from now on.
 

 

I bumped this because every point I made in the general sense can still be applied a year later

 

Good job, JR




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