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Probability of the Panthers winning at least 4 games this season...

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I'm giving Rivera one more game to get his act together. If he can't fire up his team to play against the Cowboys, I'm hoping (yes I said it, all for the good of the franchise) we don't win another game this year. That way, Richardson will pretty much have to fire Rivera and Hurney for that matter. I don't want to finish 6-10 or 7-9, giving Rivera and Hurney another year to mess things up.

In the words of Owen Hart: "Enough is enough, and it's time for a change!"

great minds think alike sir. I said the EXACT same thing to my friend. If we lose the season it better be with a 4-12 or worse record so Hurney and the coaching staff will be fired AND we get a good draft position. Going 7-9 will do nothing but keep the same bums around and knock us down in the draft.

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I'm giving Rivera one more game to get his act together. If he can't fire up his team to play against the Cowboys, I'm hoping (yes I said it, all for the good of the franchise) we don't win another game this year. That way, Richardson will pretty much have to fire Rivera and Hurney for that matter. I don't want to finish 6-10 or 7-9, giving Rivera and Hurney another year to mess things up.

In the words of Owen Hart: "Enough is enough, and it's time for a change!"

this is exactly how i feel. if we win 6 or 7 games again there is a 0% chance Hurney or the coaching staff get let go of. however if we finish 3-13 or 4-12 he has no other choice. the fan base would fuging riot if he didn't do something about it

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All I'm saying is Jadeveon Clowney and Charles Johnson.

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All I'm saying is Jadeveon Clowney and Charles Johnson.

Clowney can't enter the draft

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Well, that just isn't accurate. Now whether that approach means anything is perfectly fine argument.

heck, just look at the NFCS.....every head coach in our division get worked up routinely. Smith, Payton, and the new guy all get very animated.

Animated, yes. Grab a facemask and yell, not so much. That kind of stuff just doesn't happen anymore in todays NFL.

Personally, I think Rivera is still trying to find his footing. He may turn out to be a great coach, or he may never figure it out. There is just no way to tell after 20 games. Or at least that is how I see it. Some folks can't wait for Rivera to figure it out cuz they want their victories now. I am wlling to give him some time, but I know I am in the minority.

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Animated, yes. Grab a facemask and yell, not so much. That kind of stuff just doesn't happen anymore in todays NFL.

Personally, I think Rivera is still trying to find his footing. He may turn out to be a great coach, or he may never figure it out. There is just no way to tell after 20 games. Or at least that is how I see it. Some folks can't wait for Rivera to figure it out cuz they want their victories now. I am wlling to give him some time, but I know I am in the minority.

Eh, all 3 NFCS guys get pretty intense and on players in game fairly consistant......and on refs.

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this is exactly how i feel. if we win 6 or 7 games again there is a 0% chance Hurney or the coaching staff get let go of. however if we finish 3-13 or 4-12 he has no other choice. the fan base would fuging riot if he didn't do something about it

dang it sir we just ruined my day. I am now torn between watching wine a cheese guys riot (picture it if you can) and the good of the team

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Head coaches have too much to do to babysit millionaire players. Players nowadays cannot handle a coach ripping on them. They are just like the majority of Huddlers. They would fap unmercifully should a coach grab their facemask.

I don't think you understand what people are referring to when they use the term "fap", unless you think all players and Huddlers are masochists.

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Clowney can't enter the draft

No, but Gholston from MSU can. Not sure why a DE is such a high priortiy? Although I am all for getting talented players. You can't go wrong with talent. Well, if they don't all play the same position that is.

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I think if the Panthers lose to the Cowboys, you can blow Taps on them and they will be lucky to win 2 more games, so 3-13.

Quite a tumble from the 'playoff' hopes.

For it to have any chance of getting better:

1. Newton, no turn-overs and findng is second and 3 rd options.

2. the oline suddenly learns how to block...what a difference changing 2 guards and losing Shockey has made

3. the secondary suddenly needs to learn how to cover

4. Mcdermott has to give up the soft zone

5. Chudzinksi has to become a bit more traditional

6. Rivera, suddenly gets his head out of his ass, gets engaged in the game, and lets best players (Keek) play his natural position and injured players (beason) sit

7. Tolbert needs to remember he is a football player.

Odds of these things happening, very low.

Odds of fans and PSL holders staying interested in the team if things don't improve, very low.

For a man who 'wants to win' JR certainly seems to either have no luck or puts the worng people in charge of making the football decisions.

The reality of that SuperBowl run is it was also partly on the talent of Steve Smith, Morgan, Jenkins from the Siefert era which ironically is the reason Hurney got the job anyway and Muhammed and a few holders from Capers.

The Panthers have not had a decent DT or WR since.

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