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Who's defensive model should we follow,if we get a new regime?

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IF, you can get consistent pressure with 4, you can be successful. You can do a whole lot more in the back end if you can controll the LOS and be disruptive.That is not saying that you still don't need good players in the back 7. But if you can get quality starters, and solid S play, you can play strong and aggressive D.

All that is great, but it is difficult to find the right players. You need experience in the system, you need to be smart, and you need to play disciplined. Those are not traits every player possess. Try and remember when Buddy or Jimmy struggled. It was either injury to your rushers, or too many new players.

We are in our second year in this system. We are improving, albeit not as quickly as some would hope. We are learning and are close. We are just not quite there yet. And IMO, we are only a GREAT FS from being a really good defense.

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I'd love Wade Phillips or Rob Ryan

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When it comes down to it...3-4 puts more speed on the field. I love 4-3, but maybe it's starting to become old fashion..compared to the rest of the speed there is these days in the NFL.

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Our D-line is average. Problem found.

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Our D-line is average. Problem found.

Detroit dline has Suh, Avril, Bosch and Corey Williams. And that defense is absolutely terrible.

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jim johnson 4-3

that's what we're supposed to be running but we aren't. what we've got is too soft and that ain't the jim johnson defense.

if they could shore up the Dline better and bring in some talent at safety i think we'd be good for it but the biggest thing would be just applying it. they've been playing it too safely.

mcdermott is the biggest problem and rivera just needs to take it over completely.

mcd is just too undisciplined and unfocused and too worried about making mistakes.

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Well, it depends. I don't think you can be one or the other. You have to be able to run both. 4-3 is better against the run, 3-4 is better against the pass. Variations of both can give you 5 man fronts if need be, so they're versatile. It really comes down to implementation, game-planning through the week, and execution, no matter what you run. I think we just really need better secondary play and better tackling. We're really NOT bad against the run. Every team is going to break 1 or 2 15+ yard runs per game. That's just the nature of the game. You have to accept that. As long as we tackle, we're holding guys to 2-3 yards per carry. Anything over that is because we're just NOT tackling (90% of the time, anyway). If we had better, more consistent pass defense, we'd look a LOT better.

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I'm perfectly fine with the current Jim Johnson scheme if it can be properly executed.

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It seems the best defenses that are consistenly good are 3-4 based.

I love what the Texans are doing right now. The Ravens and Steelers are always good. Of course the 49ers are killing it wit their 3-4.

All this talk about building a dominant front 4 got me thinking. Its not working for the Giants like it used to. The Bills probably have the best 4-3 d-line on paper right now and are not doing anything special. The Lions also have a good one on paper.

Then you have teams likes the eagles and Falcons who have a killer secondary but their defenses are not really scaring anyone.

Biggest problem I forsee is do we have the pieces to make a dominant 3-4?

Can we move CJ AND Alexander to 3-4 backers? Then consolidate the middle with Beason and Kuechly.

Of course we need to find a new 3 man front as well too.

The Texans run a 5-2 defense.

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I think the solution is to keep the current Jim Johnson scheme that we want to be running, shore up the positions of dire need on that side of the ball, and execute it properly.

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Both work but you need the DC to execute it. Right now we don't have that in any way shape or form.

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Defensive Model? Never heard of him.

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