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[color=#222222][size=2]Coaching Mistakes player mistakes[/size][/color]

[color=#222222][size=2]1. Benching A proven FS over a 4 backup FS that cant cover in the passing game. Martin had tackling issues last year but that can be coached if you want the man.[/size][/color]

[color=#222222][size=2]2. Dc is not a true DC and is no more than an assistant DC. End of subject.[/size][/color]

[color=#222222][size=2]3. The run option is crap. Last year it worked due to lack of scouting on Cam and what he could bring to the game. Chud needs to change things up each and every season instead of the same plays from last season. DC's have had plenty of time to scout our offense and they have built a good defense for it. [/size][/color]

[color=#222222][size=2]4. Homerun passes. This needs to stop. Yes we all love excitement. and we all love the big plays. However, you cannot come out and try to through the damn deep ball every single passing down. they need to start off slow with short routes to get came in a comfort zone. [/size][/color]

[color=#222222][size=2]5. Defense. Beason is just as guilty as anyone. WHERE IN THE HELL DID THE TACKLEING GO WITH THIS TEAM? Since when is anyone trained to do nothing but shoulder tackles, Where in the hell is the wrap tackles gone to![/size][/color]

[color=#222222][size=2]6. Benching a 2 year starting CB over an unproven rookie that has since blown as many games as the 4 year backup FS. Captain may not be the best cover CB but he’s not afraid to tackle or take a risk to stop a big play. [/size][/color]

[color=#222222][size=2]7. Draft issues. We knew we had issues this offseason with the secondary and the Dline. But we draft a OLB which is the one position on defense we are deep with talent. Yes TD may not have made his 3 come back this season. But he had some good talent that setup last season and produced. Senn for one to me proved last season he can play this game at a high level and he’s better than just a special team player. [/size][/color]

[color=#222222][size=2]8. Running game is in the shitter. We paid these guys al this money; let them run the damn ball. We paid good money for a strong FB let him in the damn game and run block for a change. Yes we have issues on our Oline. Rookie RG, and a second year RT. Now our C is done for the season. There are ways to game plan around your weak points in any position. [/size][/color]

[color=#222222][size=2]9. Players... Players need to come together as a damn team and stop looking at each other every time something goes wrong. I see it all the time on defense. Those players are confused out there in the secondary. A lot of blown coverage and this includes the LB's as well. this leads me back to coaches. If the players are confused about what coverage they have whether it be zone or man, there’s an issue with coaching.[/size][/color]
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[quote name='thefuzz' timestamp='1350063630' post='1944783']
I love the "all this talent" argument.

We have a couple of good RB's.

A couple of good LB's.

One good corner.

One good DE.

One good LT.

One good C.

One good QB.

One aging but good WR.

The only player on this team that is a top 5 talent at his position is Kalil right now.
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Ive been saying it for a while now - just cause youre gullible enough to pay top money to some average guys doesnt make them some sort of elite game changing superstars.

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Every single person complained about Martin last year and how he needed to be replaced and now people are complaining that they tried to upgrade the position?

unreal

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Every single person complained about Martin last year and how he needed to be replaced and now people are complaining that they tried to upgrade the position?

unreal
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so we should applaud them just because they tried, even though they failed?

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[quote name='R0CKnR0LLA' timestamp='1350066279' post='1944816']
so we should applaud them just because they tried, even though they failed?
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No, everything does not have to be polar opposites. There is a lot of room between applauding the results of a decision and complaining about the move being made. I'm surprised that people complain about benching a "proven starter" when hat "proven starter" sucked major ass.

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[quote name='R0CKnR0LLA' timestamp='1350066279' post='1944816']so we should applaud them just because they tried, even though they failed?
[/quote]absolutely.

better to have tried and failed than to have just accepted the status quo.

i hate people being dissatisfied with failed attempts to improve and then whining for the old days of mediocrity and the old status quo.

the only thing worse than failing to improve is not trying to at all.

replacing kasay with mare might have been the wrong move, but moving on from kasay was the right move. we just picked the wrong guy. people are arguing that replacing fox with rivera was the wrong move. i would say moving on fox was absolutely the right thing to do. whether rivera was the right guy to replace him with or not is still up for debate, imo.

replacing martin was the right thing to do. nakamura might have been the wrong one to do it with, tho.

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[quote name='Rubi' timestamp='1350064865' post='1944795']
This team will turn things around when we start drafting superior athletes. Tall, strong, fast guys (Seattle defense???) and when we utilize a more consistent offense. Traditional sets can show up every week. Power running, play action, spread formations, boot leg....all those things we are capable of doing with our personnel....

The read option is bullshit football
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Our team definitely looks physically smaller than most nfl teams.

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Winners at losing since 2008

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lets see..

Godfrey-backup on a good team
Josh Norman- 3rd stringer or worse on a good team
Ron Edwards-benchwarmer on a good team

as matter of fact let me make this simpler.. Cam, Smitty, Gamble, Stewie and Gross would be guys I consider elite prospects that would be legit starters on a good team.

Hasnt Armond Smith and Tauren Poole looked solid in pre season? why cant we see what those guys bring

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Yes, we have a lot of talent, but we also have a lot of holes and that's undeniable.

On defense, we're stacked at LB, but you also have to consider that two of our best (Beason and TD) have considerable injury concerns. Despite what some idiots may say, Kuechly looks like a stud. Charles Johnson is our only proven pass rusher and really our only proven DL period. Our DT situation is a mess. Chris Gamble is our only starting caliber NFL DB. Norman has shown promising potential, but we'll see. We probably have the worst safety situation in the league. If it wasn't for Gamble, we'd have the worst secondary situation in the league. Gamble isn't exactly young either.

On offense, Gross is aging out at LT and our best young OL (Kalil) will be recovering from an injury that isn't kind to big men. Big men who start having feet issue often continue to have feet issues. We don't have a RG and we hope that Silatolu will grow into the LG spot. Bell looks like he may have a future at RT despite struggling as a rookie. We have a loaded backfield at RB, but that's also taking it's toll on our cap space. I honestly think this is DeAngelo's last season in Carolina. We have some promising young talent at WR, but very little proven production beyond Smitty who is also 33 years old. Our offensive system is really hampering the ability to judge our offensive talent because we're simply not running an NFL scheme. Can our OL protect a QB in a simple 5 step drop? Who knows? Can Cam stand in the pocket and go through a progression? He showed some of that last year, but hasn't been given much of an opportunity this year. This gimmick bullshit needs to stop. If it was working, that would be one thing, but it's not.

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[quote name='csx' timestamp='1350066197' post='1944814']
Every single person complained about Martin last year and how he needed to be replaced and now people are complaining that they tried to upgrade the position?

unreal
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They tried to upgrade with Nakiaraku. That's not much trying on their part. He has more heart than most the guys in the league but he just lacks severely in talent

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[quote name='BigFurryKittyMan' timestamp='1350072891' post='1944900']

They tried to upgrade with Nakiaraku. That's not much trying on their part. He has more heart than most the guys in the league but he just lacks severely in talent
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This. Martin needed replacing, but we replaced a turd with a piece of crap. It may look different, but it's pretty much the same thing.

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