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#31 Mr. Scot

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 11:38 AM

Why is it so hard to put together a staff that knows what the hell is going on...?


Because the owner has put his trust in a man he believes is capable of doing that, but isn't.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 12:20 PM

When you add up all the different ways that this Rivera coached team has lost in his two seasons it becomes clear that what this team lacks more than anything is a staff that 1) can accurately anticipate what the other team is going to do and 2) can coach his players to execute a game plan that takes advantage of the opponent's weaknesses.

It seems like the best we get out of Rivera is a promise to return to fundamentals while sticking with failed strategies (like the read option). They don't make good adjustments during the game and clock management is atrocious. If you don't know how to coach on game day, you can't be a successful coach in this league. Rivera is not a good manager and not a good strategist. You need at least one of these skills to be successful. You need both to win the Super Bowl.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 12:30 PM

Because the owner has put his trust in a man he believes is capable of doing that, but isn't.

pretty much.

i think he knows things aren't working, but he has too much faith in his plan to deviate from it.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 07:04 PM

I wish but prob not.
People and even a lot of the media seems to think or believe that Rivera is a much better coach than his record. Dno but that's the case.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 07:07 PM

If the panthers some how mange to go under 6 wins they've got to strongly consider a coaching change.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 07:09 PM

Because the owner has put his trust in a man he believes is capable of doing that, but isn't.


Or his faith in a man that says "how high?" when JR says "jump"....,

I ask this to everyone: What has Rivera done to convince you he is a legitimate HC since arriving here?



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Posted 13 October 2012 - 07:47 PM

Or his faith in a man that says "how high?" when JR says "jump"....,

I ask this to everyone: What has Rivera done to convince you he is a legitimate HC since arriving here?


Well, he has 21 games under his belt.....only 3 of which we didn't have a shot at winning late.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 08:46 PM

Well, he has 21 games under his belt.....only 3 of which we didn't have a shot at winning late.


But...But...But... good teams win those type games, so we must not be any good. Right?

When the offense gets it back together. The wins should start. That won't stop all the complaining. But it should make hanging around here a poo ton more tolerable.

#39 Keith Moons Liver

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 08:52 PM

we could go 1-15 and nobody would lose their job
it's cheaper to not fire guys

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 10:54 AM

When you add up all the different ways that this Rivera coached team has lost in his two seasons it becomes clear that what this team lacks more than anything is a staff that 1) can accurately anticipate what the other team is going to do and 2) can coach his players to execute a game plan that takes advantage of the opponent's weaknesses.

It seems like the best we get out of Rivera is a promise to return to fundamentals while sticking with failed strategies (like the read option). They don't make good adjustments during the game and clock management is atrocious. If you don't know how to coach on game day, you can't be a successful coach in this league. Rivera is not a good manager and not a good strategist. You need at least one of these skills to be successful. You need both to win the Super Bowl.


^This.

Also, on phone or pie.

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 03:27 PM

John Fox never went below 7-9 until his lame duck year when JR made up his mind to change course before the season. If Rivera doesn't get his act together soon he's about to have two straight seasons of less than 7-9. I know JR is stubborn but I just don't see him tolerating a season where we regress.

For the first time in this franchise's history we have a superstar QB. I think even JR is smart enough to realize that if he continues to ride a sinking ship with Rivera that the chances he keeps that superstar QB drop every year.

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 03:36 PM

I mean sure, we as fans are already angry as hell and calling for a top/down regime change. But many in the media are still saying "lets wait and see" "lets see how Hurney's master plan works out." But will 1-5 FINALLY be the tipping point where we start hearing things like "Hurney on the hot seat" or "Rivera has lost locker room." Or "Jerry Richardson and Bill Cowher closing in on contract." Oh wait, nvm on that last one, this is Jerry Richardson we are talking about. But seriously, does 1-5 pretty much get us back to square 1 in 2010 where we have a lame duck coaching staff and a huge sea change is on the horizon?


Doubtful anything changes. Richardson seems allergic to change, especially during the season. Besides, I don't recall Hurney ever being on the hot seat here. Not like an extra 4-5 losses early in the season would change that. Also don't see Richardson ever being interested in hiring Bill Cowher, even if Cowher were to express interest in coaching again.

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 03:40 PM

Doubtful anything changes. Richardson seems allergic to change, especially during the season. Besides, I don't recall Hurney ever being on the hot seat here. Not like an extra 4-5 losses early in the season would change that. Also don't see Richardson ever being interested in hiring Bill Cowher, even if Cowher were to express interest in coaching again.


JR is a cancer to this franchise. JR is the definition on how to build a mediocre franchise. Draft like dog crap, make a hardline stance against quality free agents, overpay your own players which are average at best.

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 04:25 PM

we could go 1-15 and nobody would lose their job
it's cheaper to not fire guys

this is true and pretty much the M.O. of this franchise.

if there is going to be any kind of change at the top (including coaches), hurney would be the easiest to let go of since he's not under contract. you can move on from him without firing him. nothing really owed to him at all.

i doubt even that happens, but it would be the easiest to pull off.

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 04:32 PM

Doubtful anything changes. Richardson seems allergic to change, especially during the season. Besides, I don't recall Hurney ever being on the hot seat here. Not like an extra 4-5 losses early in the season would change that. Also don't see Richardson ever being interested in hiring Bill Cowher, even if Cowher were to express interest in coaching again.

that's why fox is still here, right?

that's why jake is still our QB and why we drafted a QB first overall.

richardson isn't exactly flexible, but he most certainly brought about change the last couple years. it might not have been all positive and all the right moves, but things are different now and it's pretty much JR's doing.

i'll give you the nothing done in midseason thing and letting HCs finish out their contracts...but he sure didn't stick with the status quo completely.

wouldn't want cowher, btw. i don't consider JR not wanting cowher to be a bad thing at all.

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