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Andy Reid or Norv Turner.. Which would you pick?

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People seriously wouldn't pick the coach whose team makes the playoffs damn near every year?!

Reid has his issues but this isn't even a debate. Andy Reid and it isn't close. This isn't tough at all.

Reid is the beneficiary of a very well run personnel system in Philly. I have my doubts as to whether he'd be able to duplicate his successes away from that system.

Add in that he's one of those coaches whose teams always look great in the regular season but all too often fold in the playoffs.

Turner? As an OC? Sure. Head coach? Nah.

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I would love to have Turner as an OC.

I actually think that Vick is a bad fit for Reid's system, and I think that Cam would be as well.

Cam is a great fit for Turners system, but we should be running that already, but we aren't.

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I would love to have Turner as an OC.

I actually think that Vick is a bad fit for Reid's system, and I think that Cam would be as well.

Cam is a great fit for Turners system, but we should be running that already, but we aren't.

We were last year :(

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We were last year :(

I agree.

The only thing I can figure is it's a combo of a few things.

Cam has regress a bit, and is not comfortable with them opening the playbook more.

SS has lost some of the wheels, and cannot create separation down field. (a must in that O)

The line outside of Gross and Kalil is made up of rooks or below average players and cannot defend the 5 and 7 step drops.

Those are the things that will kill coryell's/Turners O.

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Give me either Marc Trestman or Dana Holgorsen.

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I agree.

The only thing I can figure is it's a combo of a few things.

Cam has regress a bit, and is not comfortable with them opening the playbook more.

SS has lost some of the wheels, and cannot create separation down field. (a must in that O)

The line outside of Gross and Kalil is made up of rooks or below average players and cannot defend the 5 and 7 step drops.

Those are the things that will kill coryell's/Turners O.

or chud trying to create his own thing and abandoning the coryell.

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or chud trying to create his own thing and abandoning the coryell.

That could be it, but I don't think so.

It's too easy to stick with what you know.

Hence Cam operating the read-option much of the time.

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That could be it, but I don't think so.

It's too easy to stick with what you know.

Hence Cam operating the read-option much of the time.

Chud has us operating out of shotgun over 75% of the plays this year, up 15 to 20% from last year. Maybe half the time we are in the shotgun, the back is lined up slightly ahead of the QB. When we do that, it is always a pass. If I know it, opposing defenses know it. So it isn't just the read option that's the problem.

Cam showed last year, and in limited opportunities this year, that he can operate effectively from under center. The backs run just as well out of an I formation as from the read option. Our offensive numbers this year show that the change has certainly not been a positive one. So why keep doing it?

I think Chud saw what we did to Tampa last year and thought he found a magic formula. That is the kind of offense he is running this year. But in reality, Tampa just sucked, so they were in no way an accurate indicator of what worked and what didn't.

Yes, we have had our problems with blocking and all around execution as well, but play calling seems to be a huge part of the problem.

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Andy Reid. The guy works magic with QBs. You let Andy Reid work with Cam Newton... good Lord

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Chud has us operating out of shotgun over 75% of the plays this year, up 15 to 20% from last year. Maybe half the time we are in the shotgun, the back is lined up slightly ahead of the QB. When we do that, it is always a pass. If I know it, opposing defenses know it. So it isn't just the read option that's the problem.

Cam showed last year, and in limited opportunities this year, that he can operate effectively from under center. The backs run just as well out of an I formation as from the read option. Our offensive numbers this year show that the change has certainly not been a positive one. So why keep doing it?

I think Chud saw what we did to Tampa last year and thought he found a magic formula. That is the kind of offense he is running this year. But in reality, Tampa just sucked, so they were in no way an accurate indicator of what worked and what didn't.

Yes, we have had our problems with blocking and all around execution as well, but play calling seems to be a huge part of the problem.

I am not disagreeing with you at all. I just don't think that it's Chud as much as it is our players.

Chud knows that this O is not nearly as good as last season, there is no way that he can't.

I just think that it's the mixture of D coordinators figuring out how to slow down our downfield attack, and Cam not being as comfortable this season.

Put the best CB on Smith with Safety help over the top. (SS does look a bit slower this season so this helps them)

Single cover Lafell.

Keep Olsen in short patterns that are not Cam's strong suit.

Create a pass rush because our O Line is not that talented, and are young.

That O requires the QB to throw long down the field to a spot, and the WR has to be there and win at jump balls.

Our downfield threat is 5'9, and he is the only player that can stretch the field right now it seems.

Cam may not trust our WR's.

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