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What does God really say on the shape of the world? (From the Biblical Perspective)


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Posted 14 October 2012 - 06:59 AM

When it comes to science, I believe God intended it to be a current and ongoing study. That we are supposed to figure things out along and along. Even on the new earth and in the new universe, we will still have things to study and wonder about. When it comes to the Bible, it is not a science book. Science goes into the breakdown of processes that govern the world. Yet if the Bible is indeed a message inspired by God, if God exists, it is a history book. In it are details science can explain, but it is not science specific. Genesis tells us that God created the world, and how He organized everything. It tells us the history of man and so forth.

So if I want to get science out of that, I have to show how these things operated. How did the perfect world operate, and how did it get to the world we see today? There's a lot (and I do mean a lot) I want to say concerning these things, but I won't say them now. There's many things that need to be confirmed before I speak on them.



I think Christians who hesitate to take what the Bible says on our origins literally, is putting too much emphasis on man's ability and not God's. I definitely agree with you there are many things the Biblical authors didn't understand, but that shouldn't be a reason for not taking Genesis literally. Remember we have direct quotes in Genesis coming from God Himself. If all of that didn't really happen, the writer of Genesis lied essentially. He made up something that made sense to himself, but led many astray because people actually believed God said and did those things.

By the way, just like the flat earth thing, the Bible never stated anything about the sun revolving around the earth. Science does have an overall part in the truth of God's creation, but the Bible is the historical account of the universe if true. One way of proving this by the way, is if scientists who follow the Bible, was able to do better science, than scientists who didn't follow the Bible. Obviously, this isn't evident, but within the next 5 years or less, it will be. I can say that confidently because finally, I believe "creation" (I'm not talking guys at Answers in Genesis per say. They aren't really interested in doing real scientific study. Only critizing everything that scientists who don't follow the Bible says) scientists will do real experiments and publish their findings.


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Posted 14 October 2012 - 10:18 AM

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 12:03 PM

I think the more pressing question is why God would send bears to attack a bunch of children.

2 Kings 2:23-25

"He went up from there to Bethel, and while he was going up on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him, saying, “Go up, you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!” 24 And he turned around, and when he saw them, he cursed them in the name of the Lord. And two she-bears came out of the woods and tore forty-two of the boys."

...sorry, couldn't help it. By far my favorite bible verse. Plus, I think its a much more interesting question.

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 12:30 PM

If you treated your children like God treats his children, you would be in jail (very likely death row) and society would ostracize you.

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 12:42 PM

do you believe the earth is 4,004 years old?


I believe the earth is 7,000 years old, give or take.

I think the more pressing question is why God would send bears to attack a bunch of children.

2 Kings 2:23-25

"He went up from there to Bethel, and while he was going up on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him, saying, “Go up, you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!” 24 And he turned around, and when he saw them, he cursed them in the name of the Lord. And two she-bears came out of the woods and tore forty-two of the boys."

...sorry, couldn't help it. By far my favorite bible verse. Plus, I think its a much more interesting question.


Elisha was pretty zealous when it came to the word of the Lord. You can see that when he asked for a double portion of what his teacher Elijah had. So when these lads, who were not children but probably teenagers or old enough to know right and wrong, mocked him and what he stood for, Elisha cursed them in the name of the Lord as the passage said. Bad things happen when you're under the curse. (Similar to when the people of Israel complained about God's provision, deadly snakes entered their camp and began biting them.) In other words, when you mock God's provision, that provision is taken away. God didn't send the bears to the boys, the bears were always there. The difference is these boys were no longer under God's protection, giving way for something bad to happen.

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 01:12 PM

I believe the earth is 7,000 years old, give or take.


so you admit the existence of a civilization, settlement, or even dispersion pattern of anything over seven thousand years would poke irreparable holes in this idea?

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 01:17 PM

so you admit the existence of a civilization, settlement, or even dispersion pattern of anything over seven thousand years would poke irreparable holes in this idea?


Yes, but the things we determine that are older than that time period, are done by dating methods. Show me a written date that is older than 7,000 years.

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 02:04 PM

Yes, but the things we determine that are older than that time period, are done by dating methods. Show me a written date that is older than 7,000 years.


and stratigraphy
and dendro-chronology
and potassium-argon

your assertion that a date has to be written to exist is fundamentally absurd and will get you laughed out of town even by the most radical literalists

do you categorically deny the existence of the Magdelinians? How about the Aurignacians? Or the Solutreans or the Gravettians? Or Clovis culture in the Americas? Or the Natufians, or Abu Hureyra?

Do you deny their existence?

Do you know anything about dating methods? Or cultural and technological dispersion theories? Or global population theories? Or do you categorically dismiss them without reviewing the evidence because they don't fit your temporal understanding of a very narrow theological view?

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 02:12 PM

The age of the earth is a scientific/geological matter, not a theological one. It has been definitively proven via dendrochronology, human Y-chromosomal ancestry, oxidizable Carbon Ratio dating, rock varnish, thermoluminescence dating, fission track dating, ice layering, weathering rinds, amino acid racemization, continental drift, cosmogenic nuclide dating, erosion, geomagnetic reversals, impact craters, iron-manganese nodules, naica megacrystals, nitrogen in diamonds, and sedimentary varves. If you have proof that none of these methods work, please share it, otherwise talk about your religion in theological terms and not scientific ones, because it just doesn't hold up.

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 02:15 PM

I believe the earth is 7,000 years old, give or take.



Elisha was pretty zealous when it came to the word of the Lord. You can see that when he asked for a double portion of what his teacher Elijah had. So when these lads, who were not children but probably teenagers or old enough to know right and wrong, mocked him and what he stood for, Elisha cursed them in the name of the Lord as the passage said. Bad things happen when you're under the curse. (Similar to when the people of Israel complained about God's provision, deadly snakes entered their camp and began biting them.) In other words, when you mock God's provision, that provision is taken away. God didn't send the bears to the boys, the bears were always there. The difference is these boys were no longer under God's protection, giving way for something bad to happen.


So when your teenagers disrespect you as a parent, it is ok to turn a blind eye to their safety? That is what you are saying.

I find it surprising that a supposedly superior being like God finds it so hard to behave like a mature adult, much less a "God". Instead the bible indicates he repeatedly resorts to having tantrums when people don't worship him. For someone that is all knowing and all seeing, you would think he could anticipate these issues and come up with some less destructive methods to guide his flock. Creating floods, famine, pestilence and death seems more like the actions of a big baby not getting his way than a loving God.

Got to go for now, there are some bears trying to get in to my cabin.


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