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That comment is just ridiculous. It would be unprecedented for a QB and Coach to be fired after a playoff run.

Hurney's resigning of Jake was supposed to be a vote of confidence to help Jake move past the debacle and try to repeat it next year. Unfortunately, it didn't work out, and Jake was never able to get over Arizona. But to say, "We rode this guy to the playoffs, and then he flopped. Cut him." Is stupid.

The Panthers went 12-4 that season despite Delhomme, not because of him.

He had been regressing as a QB since 2005 and was fully capable of having terrible games like Arizona all season. What was shocking is that it all went downhill so quickly and before you knew it the Panthers were one and done in the playoffs.

At the very least, a QB should have been drafted as part of the future after the 2008 debacle if not before then. But, as always, management was far too loyal to a player whose time was up. Look at where the Jets are now with Sanchez

Loyalty within an organization is a great thing to have, but there comes a point where you have to evaluate players based on their current production and where they fit in terms of the overall direction of the team. The biggest problem with Hurney is that he is loyal to a fault with current players, hence the 100 million dollars tied up in the backfield on a passing team with a dual-threat QB and pick ups from the FA scrap heap in terms of depth.

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Derek Anderson would still be our starter and Cam would still be "groomed" on the bench if we still had Fox.

That might actually be a good thing for Cam.

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The Panthers went 12-4 that season despite Delhomme, not because of him.

He had been regressing as a QB since 2005 and was fully capable of having terrible games like Arizona all season. What was shocking is that it all went downhill so quickly and before you knew it the Panthers were one and done in the playoffs.

At the very least, a QB should have been drafted as part of the future after the 2008 debacle if not before then. But, as always, management was far too loyal to a player whose time was up. Look at where the Jets are now with Sanchez

Loyalty within an organization is a great thing to have, but there comes a point where you have to evaluate players based on their current production and where they fit in terms of the overall direction of the team. The biggest problem with Hurney is that he is loyal to a fault with current players, hence the 100 million dollars tied up in the backfield on a passing team with a dual-threat QB and pick ups from the FA scrap heap in terms of depth.

I agree 100%. When Jake bombed, we definitely should have been grooming the QB of the future, and maybe one to take over the reigns next season. But to say that we should have canned Jake after 1 bad playoff game is ridiculous. Even if we were 12-4 in spite of him, that still makes him an effective game manager. He should have been the starter going into next year. But we should have had a better contingency plan in case he was permanenetly shell shocked.

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The Panthers went 12-4 that season despite Delhomme, not because of him.

He had been regressing as a QB since 2005 and was fully capable of having terrible games like Arizona all season. What was shocking is that it all went downhill so quickly and before you knew it the Panthers were one and done in the playoffs.

Jake was Jake....from 2003 until he blew out his elbow in 2007. 06 and 07 Jake had a winning record as a starter with the best completion % of his career.

Was never the same guy when he comeback in 2008....but QBs don't comeback from that surgery.

Jake coming back from Tommy John has made people forget that he was actually a pretty good QB.

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I liked Fox but he was kept here 2 years too long.

And that's about all I have to say about that

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I really hope I'm not the only one sick of seeing John Fox threads here. Let's all live in the past!

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Oh god

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Yeah, well its a shame that he handcuffs the coordinators so much that it rarely happens.

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John Fox revisionist nostalgia is to Ron Rivera as Charlotte Hornets revisionist nostalgia is to the Bobcats.

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yeah fox went on nfl network prior to the 2011 draft and said he expected the panthers to draft dareus.

cam wouldn't be here if fox was still our coach so all the talk about "imagine what fox could do with cam!1" is moot. and if hurney/JR would have forced cam on him he'd be riding the bench if he had any choice whatsoever in the matter. i mean how many times did fox go on record here that developing young quarterbacks isn't part of his philosophy because it takes too long and the bust factor is too high?

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Sadly, when you have had 4 winning seasons in team history, and never back to back, you do tend to live in the past.

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Fox with Chud would've been so dirty. And Ron Meeks staying at DC wouldn't have been bad either. He did very well with the sh*thole he was forced to work with in '09.

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