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i doubt that's worse than an owner that is calling down to the sidelines telling the coach what plays to run and what players to have on the field.

Well in fairness, there are different levels of 'hands on'.

Still don't see this as any indication that Richardson interferes in day to day decisions within the organization. It does, however, give credence to the theory that Richardson may be undermining his coaches. Unintentionally, I would imagine, but sadly that doesn't make the result any better.

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I would add my suspicion is that Richardson will react to this story by fuming about it getting out rather than by recognizing it as an indication of a problem.

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After hearing stories like this, you just have to wonder if re-signing DWill and J Stew and Godfrey and Beason and Anderson and CJ were all Hurney's doing.

Would it surprise anyone if JR told Marty, "Do whatever you have to do to keep these guys."

Richardson did mention all of those guys plus Kalil and Thomas Davis except for CJ as leaders of the team in Morgan fogarty interview

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Regardless of the story, as a Panther die-hard, Bill is a guy I highly respect and miss his involvement with the team. I'm glad he is starting to incorporate himself back into the community and it's refreshing to hear him back on the airways.

I've been tuning in every now and then to ESPN730 just based on the fact that WFNZ is losing it's credibility. They didn't have much to begin with, either. I've been listening to 730 based on the fact that they don't try to be cute with the broadcast and stick to what I want to hear.

Is Bill on the show everyday or just weekly?

Anyone who listens to 730, I'd like to know how it is on a regular basis. I know they've only been around now for a year or two but like I stated earlier, WFNZ is just getting harder and harder to listen to. The closest thing to real sports journalism on 610 is Brett Jensen. I'm looking to make a switch.

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Well in fairness, there are different levels of 'hands on'.

Still don't see this as any indication that Richardson interferes in day to day decisions within the organization. It does, however, give credence to the theory that Richardson may be undermining his coaches. Unintentionally, I would imagine, but sadly that doesn't make the result any better.

i only saw one example and it was with an ineffective coach that was on his way out the door and a player that has been a star on the team and kind of a son or grandson to JR. without more examples, i'd have to say that this isn't typical. i expect there were probably some of this going on prior to seifert's exit.

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Too curious to not to watch...

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i would prefer they go back to having hurney handle all of the cap stuff as the "director of player operations" and they find someone to handle all the personnel stuff as the "director of pro personnel", like they had it in the late 90's before hurney got whole GM job.

i actually think this may be what they do...at least i hope. that way jerry gets to keep hurney around and he's limited to what he does well and the team isn't hurt by his ineffectiveness in making personnel decisions.

Hurney seems like a nice guy, but it would be a monumental mistake to allow him to stay:

1) His contract negotiation skills are infamous at best. (Historically bad negotiator)

2) His "cap management genius" is matched by no less than 31 other cap managers in the NFL. (Has no unique skillset to offer)

And most importantly...

3) New team management would not be able to trust someone with such a close realtionship to the owner. (Fly on the Wall)

I would allow him to stay for a limited time as an transition adviser for a few weeks, maybe a month.

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Point is when you hire someone to be in charge of a division you don't allow the person the manager is managing to jump over their heads and come to you "The Boss".

Perhaps the puppeteer is finally starting to be revealed.

If i had a problem with my superviser, and couldn't go to the boss/owner, than there are bigger issues than what anybody is implying.

Coaches have to be held accountable also.

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Hurney seems like a nice guy but it would be a monumental mistake to allow him to stay:

1) His contract negotiation skills are infamous at best. (Historically bad negotiator)

2) His "cap management genius" is matched by no less than 31 other cap managers in the NFL. (Has no unique skillset to offer)

And most importantly...

3) New team management would not be able to trust someone with such a close realtionship to the owner. (Fly on the Wall)

true. he's never had any problem getting deals done with rosenhaus. that might not be a good thing for the club.

if hurney is going to stay with the team (which i have a feeling might be the case) then i'd rather it be limited to just that one aspect rather than making personnel decisions. as weak as he may be at handling the cap...i think that's his strong point.

it would be better to start fresh, tho. should have happened when fox left. i just knew that if one of those two were going to stay, i would rather have had it be hurney staying.

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Hurney seems like a nice guy but it would be a monumental mistake to allow him to stay:

1) His contract negotiation skills are infamous at best. (Historically bad negotiator)

2) His "cap management genius" is matched by no less than 31 other cap managers in the NFL. (Has no unique skillset to offer)

And most importantly...

3) New team management would not be able to trust someone with such a close realtionship to the owner. (Fly on the Wall)

I'm not trying to split hairs here but what evidence do you have that suggests Marty is a "historically bad negotiator" and "has no unique skill set to offer"??

Personally, I think Marty is a good guy with numbers and it's not his fault if they throw an assload of money to a bunch of RBs/LBs because after all, it's the Big Cat who is signing the check.

Bill Polian was on WFNZ yesterday and had nothing but praise for Marty. He said that Marty has been trained by the best and is an excellent GM.

The issue I have with Marty is his talent evaluation. That, of course, is not entirely up to him but he does have something to do with the scouting and player development.

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If i had a problem with my superviser, and couldn't go to the boss/owner, than there are bigger issues than what anybody is implying.

Coaches have to be held accountable also.

i do like this. 100% agreed. employees have to have someone in the organization they can turn to when their bosses are a problem. smith had a better relationship with JR. it just made sense for him to go to richardson and it probably wasn't even anything more than smith going to his old man and venting. i don't see those two having a typical boss/owner relationship.

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I was just perusing profootballreference and since 1995 we have been consistently one of the shittiest franchises in football. Ill break it down like this:

Elite Teams (11 or more winning seasons since 1995)

Patriots - 14 with 12 playoff appearances

Packers - 13 with 12 playoff appearances

Colts - 13 with 13 playoff appearances

Steelers - 13 with 11 playoff appearances

Eagles - 11 with 11 playoff appearances

Top Tier Teams (8-10 winning seasons since 1995)

Dolphins - 10 with 7 playoff appearances

Jets - 10 with 7 playoff appearances

Ravens - 9 with 8 playoff appearances

Cowboys - 9 with 8 playoff appearances

Broncos - 9 with 8 playoff appearances

Vikings - 9 with 8 playoff appearances

Buccaneers - 9 with 7 playoff appearances

Atlanta - 8 with 7 playoff appearances

Chiefs - 8 with 5 playoff appearances

Giants - 8 with 8 playoff appearances

Mediocre Teams (5-7 winning seasons since 1995)

Jaguars - 7 with 5 playoff appearances

Chargers - 7 with 6 playoff appearances

49ers - 7 with 7 playoff appearances

Seahawks - 7 with 7 playoff appearances

Titans - 7 with 6 playoff appearances

Bears - 6 with 4 playoff appearances

Saints - 6 with 4 playoff appearances

Bills - 5 with 4 playoff appearances

Dogcrap Teams (4 or less winning seasons since 1995)

Rams - 4 with 5 playoff appearances

Panthers - 4 with 4 playoff appearances

Lions - 4 with 4 playoff appearances

Redskins - 4 with 3 playoff appearances

Cardinals - 3 with 3 playoff appearances

Bengals - 3 with 3 playoff appearances

Raiders - 3 with 3 playoff appearances

Texans - 2 with 1 playoff appearance

Browns - 2 with 1 playoff appearance

So there you have it. Basically we have no room to talk or laugh at any fanbase outside of maybe Cleveland. We are, and have clearly always been, a poo franchise. This is unfortunate but true.

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