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Beason's knee "flared up" this week; Onatolu to IR


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#37 davos

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 05:23 PM

please no more blowing it up.

thanks.

get a GM that can build (using FA, trades, and the draft) around what we have (that's worth building around). let rivera run the D and get an OC who can use all of the talent on his roster.


I think we just have different meanings of "blowing it up". We pretty much half detonated with Fox, then used our core from the previous regime to build around as transitional pieces into a new one. Hasn't worked out too well. We decided to keep the wrong pieces that were 'worth it to build around' as you put it and we're seeing the results. CJ was a good piece to keep though albiet he does have consistency issues.

I'd consider changing GM, new coaching, and at least 50% roster overhaul to be "blowing it up". If we go anywhere from 2-14 to 5-11, something substantial is going to have to happen both from a personel and fo standpoint.

Honestly, my only real 100% for sure keepers...


FO & Coaching:

None

Offense:

Cam
Stewart
Olsen
Kalil
Silatolu

Defense:

CJ
Alexander
Keek
Gamble
Norman

ST:

Nortman

That really is about it for me. This is likely different for everyone but I'm just saying some of our "good" players are much more expendable than people let on and our existing core from Foxy worked for Foxy, not Rivera & Chud so far.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 05:35 PM

I support him, I'm just gonna temper my expectations.


I won't be participating in any "just wait till Beason is back to normal" talk. It's far from guaranteed he'll be able to get back to where he was.

Fandom is nice, but from a strictly business perspective, I'd be asking for a restructure soon. Other teams have done it. Paying players who aren't the same guy anymore is becoming too common on this team.

Our money shouldn't be invested in the LBs anyway. It should be mostly in the defensive line and secondary.

Don't have a problem with that, it's just all the cut or move Beason, let Kuechly play talk since the draft. Give him a chance to recover from and come back...this is why we drafted Kuechly

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 05:56 PM

A few quick points...

1) Onatolu to IR frees up a spot for Gettis. So it looks like AE survives yet again.

2)Beason's contract has 3 more years after this one. Should we want to do something with him, we have to consider the $12 million in bonus that has not yet hit the cap.

3) For Rayzor, no, Hurney does not injure the players, but he did sign Beason to a $50 million deal when he was already dealing with ankle problems. Those same problems kept him out of all training camp last year and finally ended up with him tearing his Achilles.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 05:57 PM

Onatolu on IR?
Everyone. Panic.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 06:02 PM

A few quick points...

1) Onatolu to IR frees up a spot for Gettis. So it looks like AE survives yet again.

2)Beason's contract has 3 more years after this one. Should we want to do something with him, we have to consider the $12 million in bonus that has not yet hit the cap.

3) For Rayzor, no, Hurney does not injure the players, but he did sign Beason to a $50 million deal when he was already dealing with ankle problems. Those same problems kept him out of all training camp last year and finally ended up with him tearing his Achilles.


That was one of those signings that I thought was too hasty. Not that Beason's isnt a good player; however, with a new coaching staff coming in and not fully knowing what defensive scheme would be implemented, it wouldn't have hurt to have given him another season to see how well he'd fit in with the new system, recover from injury, etc. Hindsight is 20/20, but this Hurney and staff should have put more thought into this decision.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 07:39 PM

Thomas Davis is our best LB, and I think he should be at the Will spot going forward. Robinson wanted no piece of TD after awhile, and is a major reason why Kuechly had a lot of success against Seattle.


Well, there is no debate IMO....best WLB on this team is TD. Best MLB? Now is Luke. By the time Beason fully recovers....Luke may have continued to improve and Beason simply never is at a postion to overtake Luke.

Said it pre draft, based on they way Luke projected.....if he turns out to be THAT, that will be a better MLB than Beason. Let him earn the job this year. Beason will take WLB when healrhy bc TD ain't gonna last seasons.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 07:41 PM

Well to be fair none of us thought TD would last a game, let alone games.

The man has more than proven to me that we don't know what to expect from him. I wouldn't give him a huge contract or rely on him 100% but I certainly wouldn't give WLB to Beason just because he gets healthy. If he outperforms TD then sure, but TD is a beast there and he could last a lot longer than any of us think he will.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 08:55 PM

Well to be fair none of us thought TD would last a game, let alone games.

The man has more than proven to me that we don't know what to expect from him. I wouldn't give him a huge contract or rely on him 100% but I certainly wouldn't give WLB to Beason just because he gets healthy. If he outperforms TD then sure, but TD is a beast there and he could last a lot longer than any of us think he will.


Absolutely. No one said TD was going to come back and be as good as he ever was. It was impossible to even consider. Yet here he is, playing very fast and strong.

The front office did the right thing bringing in linebacker help. That doesn't mean there weren't other options. We could have signed a FA backer and gone DL or DB in the first, but in any case they could not count on what we've seen from Thomas.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 08:57 PM

Laughing at all the huddles on here who were bitching about possibly taking Kuechly in the draft. I recall most if you claiming that Beadon was super human and would miraculously recover 100%.



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Posted 17 October 2012 - 09:04 PM

Better news for us to earn a very high pick

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 09:14 PM

I feel like I've heard this tune before. Sounds a lot like the one that was played back in 55's time.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 10:27 PM

Laughing at all the huddles on here who were bitching about possibly taking Kuechly in the draft. I recall most if you claiming that Beadon was super human and would miraculously recover 100%.


Because the only way to address the RB and LB positions is with first round picks, right MadHatter?