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how much waterboarding was needed to elicit this information

it doesn't say

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I keep waiting for Jesus to make an appearance and stop all this madness...

Of course, I guess all this hate and violence is his will... Maybe Jesus hates stuff too?

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What does this have to do with Fiz?

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G5 feels that if you have the gall to question anything the nation does (unless its a Democrat doing it of course) then you must be a terrorist.

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Fiz probably understands the plight of these individuals in NY.

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how much waterboarding was needed to elicit this information

it doesn't say

Just for the sake of argument....how much would be too much?

If torture prevents an act of terrorism, can be directly linked to the prevention, is it justified?

Would another method, perhaps intelligence gathering alone, be enough?

What if it wasn't enough and a few dozen, maybe 100 innocent people died?

I ask, because I am unsure about the issue.

I can clearly see the fundamental moral argument against any and all forms of torture.

I am also not idealistic enough to think that intelligence gathering can be pristine. The seamy underbelly of covert operations is kept under wraps for a reason. Is the information always wrong? Is it always bad? Is it never effective? I don't know.

I suppose it is up to the individual to determine how much and what methods are "acceptable".

I'm willing to bet if a tragedy is prevented, many people would say "By any means necessary". You likely wouldn't agree. But I'd like to see alternatives.

Because I think I might be ok with choking the sh*t out of some scumbags to save American lives.

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This is pretty simple. If it takes months of torture to get information (whether it's valid or not is another question), it's probably being improperly used.

There are times when immediate intel is needed, like in a battlefield situation. Torturing people, no matter how distasteful they are, dozens of times over a period of weeks does not sound like a great way to get valid information. It sounds more like plain sadistic revenge.

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This is pretty simple. If it takes months of torture to get information (whether it's valid or not is another question), it's probably being improperly used.

There are times when immediate intel is needed, like in a battlefield situation. Torturing people, no matter how distasteful they are, dozens of times over a period of weeks does not sound like a great way to get valid information. It sounds more like plain sadistic revenge.

I think you are correct.

Now what if said "months of torture" yields names of people and location of those involved in the planning, money and supplies gathering, the whole operation of a "cell". A group planning a 9-11 lite. Or perhaps something disgustingly more complex and dastardly.

Said group gets busted up.

Now what?

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I think you are correct.

Now what if said "months of torture" yields names of people and location of those involved in the planning, money and supplies gathering, the whole operation of a "cell". A group planning a 9-11 lite. Or perhaps something disgustingly more complex and dastardly.

Said group gets busted up.

Now what?

What if a purple elephant was born to a brown cow and a white horse?

Honestly, if people are determined enough to attack other people, it's going to happen...

It happens in every civilization... It's human nature... Man will destroy himself...

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