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Who are you voting for in the Presidential race?

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  1. 1. Who is your pick for President?

    • Obama
      37
    • Romney
      38
    • Johnson
      18
    • write-in (please say who/what if you pick this option)
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if you vote for romney you should kill yourself and rid us of your stupidity.

dude..

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Voted today, no lines at all.

I did have one minor issue. According to the maps, I am in the 12th district of NC, but when I started voting, it brought up the candidates from the 5th district. I guess I should bring this to the attention of the county board of elections, although I have no intention of re-voting.

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  1. Obama (6 votes [19.35%])
    Romney (12 votes [38.71%])
    Johnson (12 votes [38.71%])

keep this in mind when some dipshit makes a middle school quality venn diagram "proving" how balanced this forum is. 24 votes for the two right wing candidates, 6 votes for the center-right candidate. sounds about right.

I'm interested in your definition of right wing

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it's a pretty standard definition so i'll c/p from wiki for you

In politics, right-wing describes an outlook or specific position that accepts or supports social hierarchy or social inequality.[1][2][3][4] Social hierarchy and social inequality is viewed by those affiliated with the Right as either inevitable, natural, normal, or desirable,[2] whether it arises through traditional social differences[5] or from competition in market economies.[6][7] It typically accepts or justifies this position on the basis of natural law or tradition.[4][8][9][10][11]

gary johnson can claim to be progressive as much as his little heart desires, but regressive taxation and a non-existent social safety net will only entrench the current racial stratification within america

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it's a pretty standard definition so i'll c/p from wiki for you

gary johnson can claim to be progressive as much as his little heart desires, but regressive taxation and a non-existent social safety net will only entrench the current racial stratification within america

That statement is exactly what is wrong in America today. Your statement infers that African Americans can not succeed without the government providing welfare programs....which I believe short changes them and is quite insulting.

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not really

my statement infers that regressive taxation and the elimination of the social safety net completely fugs poor people. requiring poor people to pay a higher effective rate for fewer services through regressive tax policy is not going to improve social mobility at all ever. blacks and latinos are disproportionately poor so punishing the poor does in fact entrench racial stratification. regardless, if you'd prefer i say "social stratification" rather than "racial stratification" then you can pretend i said that because they are one in the same here

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not really

my statement infers that regressive taxation and the elimination of the social safety net completely fugs poor people. requiring poor people to pay a higher effective rate for fewer services through regressive tax policy is not going to improve social mobility at all ever. blacks and latinos are disproportionately poor so punishing the poor does in fact entrench racial stratification. regardless, if you'd prefer i say "social stratification" rather than "racial stratification" then you can pretend i said that because they are one in the same here

But you are still saying that minorities cannot thrive without the government supporting them.....which again is quite insulting that that group.

Many stay on these social programs for generations because there is ZERO incentive to ever got off them. Draw a paycheck to do nothing is often more appealing than working a lower paying and hard job. I blame the system.

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that's interesting. here, you hold on to that totally unsubstantiated "welfare is slavery" argument and i'll see what i can dig up............

first of all, it is ignorant at best and devious at worst to deny institutional racism in america. for example:

median salary

white: 40,300

af-am: 31,890

latino: 28,548

http://maamodt.asp.radford.edu/HR%20Statistics/Salary%20by%20Sex%20and%20Race.htm

poverty rate

For non-Hispanic Whites, the poverty

rate increased to 9.9 percent in 2010

from 9.4 percent in 2009, while the

number in poverty increased to 19.6

million from 18.5 million (Table 4).

The poverty rate for non-Hispanic

Whites was lower than the poverty

rates for other racial groups. Non-

Hispanic Whites accounted for 42.4

percent of the people in poverty, but

64.5 percent of the total population.

For Blacks, the poverty rate increased

to 27.4 percent in 2010, up from 25.8

percent in 2009, while the number in

poverty increased to 10.7 million from

9.9 million. For Asians, the 2010 poverty

rate and the number in poverty

(12.1 percent and 1.7 million) were

not statistically different from 2009.

However, the poverty rate increased

for Hispanics to 26.6 percent in 2010

from 25.3 in 2009, and the number of

Hispanics in poverty increased

http://www.census.gov/prod/2011pubs/p60-239.pdf

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^^college educated black people were twice as likely to be unemployed as white people in 2009

-- Black youth with no prior admissions were six times more likely (and Latino youth were three times more likely) to be incarcerated in public facilities than white youth with no prior admissions when charged with the same offense.

http://www.cclp.org/documents/BBY/jfs.pdf

Since 1991, 218 people have been exonerated through DNA testing, and in more than three-quarters of the cases, mistaken eyewitness identifications were crucial in the wrongful convictions, according to The Innocence Project, a legal group that has sought genetic testing and led the charge to free innocent inmates.

Of those, nearly half, roughly seven dozen, involved a person of one race wrongly identifying someone of a different color.

http://newsone.com/2951/racism-is-a-major-factor-in-unjust-convictions/

  • In 2011, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 685,724 times.
    605,328 were totally innocent (88 percent).
    350,743 were black (53 percent).
    223,740 were Latino (34 percent).
    61,805 were white (9 percent).
    341,581 were aged 14-24 (51 percent).
  • In the first six months of 2012, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 337,434 times
    298,919 were totally innocent (89 percent).
    179,449 were black (53 percent).
    107,812 were Latino (32 percent).
    31,891 were white (9 percent).

http://www.nyclu.org/content/stop-and-frisk-data

Apart from crowding prisons, one result is a devastating impact on the lives of black men: they are nearly 12 times as likely to be imprisoned for drug convictions as adult white men, according to the Human Rights Watch report.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/06/us/06disparities.html?adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1324587938-JA8OosWAi53x7QaNx/pGoA

The scale of racial disparity with the criminal justice system is shocking. African-Americans are incarcerated at a rate of nearly 6 (5.6) times the rate of whites. The Sentencing Project, Uneven Justice: State Rates of Incarceration by Race and Ethnicity 3 (2007). One in three (32%) of black males can expect to serve time in prison at some time in their lives, Hispanic males have a 17% chance and white males have a 6% chance.

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While there may be some disagreement as to all causes of the disparity, is beyond dispute that the so-called war on drugs is a major contributor. African-Americans constitute 14% of monthly drug users, Hispanic 12.4%, and whites 69.2%. These rates generally reflect the social and ethnic distribution of the general population of the United States. Thus, drug use patterns in this country does not account for the racial disparity in the criminal justice system. Nevertheless, African-Americans who use drugs are more likely to be arrested than any other group. Even though only 14% of the nation’s population, they represent 37% of those arrested for a drug offense. The Sentencing Project, A 25 year Quagmire: The War on Drugs and Its Impact on American Society 19-20 (2007). While blacks and whites engage in drug offenses at roughly the rate, 56% of the people in state prisons from drug offenses are African-American. Id. at 20. Black men enter state prisons on drug charges at ten times the rate of white men. Jamie Fellner, A Drug Abuse Policy that Fails Everyone, Huffington Post, Aug. 10, 2010. As it relates to the infamous crack cocaine, while two-thirds of the regular crack users are white or Latino, 82% of defendants sentenced in federal court for crack offenses are African-American. Quagmire, supra, at 19.

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