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PhillyB

I'm an independent moderate - convince me to vote for obama or romney.

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Even though you are running from your upbringing, I think you are a smart guy and know for whom you will pull the lever. I think you have doubts though and want folks like Cantrell to reinforce your new found "freedoms". As an old fart, I will tell you that taking a position without your heart following you, is a tough place. I did some traveling, not world wide, (mostly the Rocky Mtns as a hitchhiker) and thought those my enlightened years. Enjoyable as it was, I find that conservative vs liberal is something that a headline, or a thread will not change for you. You are way too smart for this. It is yours my man.

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biologically speaking i don't think abortion is an issue, and frankly i'm annoyed by the people who make it an issue solely because there's a poetic verse in psalms that says god knitted babies together in the womb piece by piece, the literal translation of which is the philosophical basis for being opposed to it. GOD MADE IT WITH MAGIC HOW DARE YOU END LIFE

life is not created, it is passed on, and that's a fundamental biological concept that fundies refuse to understand.

that said i see the merits of erring on the side of caution and not marginalizing the possibility that life does begin sometime in the womb (perhaps not at conception, but before birth) and recognizing that if we one day discover evidence that supports irrefutably the attribute of life before birth, mankind will be guilty of an atrocity unmatched by any genocide or war. as such it is potentially a human rights issue over a women's rights issue.

this one of a number of issues upon which i'm not sure where i stand, and i am trying to separate myself from ideologues with an axe to grind while doing the research.

it's not an issue i'm voting on this election though, so i'm not sure it directly relates to the discussion at hand.

Perhaps one of the best thoughts on the abortion issue I've read Philly, despite your unsurity on the issue, you made some excellent points.

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It comes down to priorities. Start at the top of your list an work down. At least cantrell has thought thru the supreme court choices and for me that's all I ask of people. Think it thru and do your homework instead of going with emotions or the media.

it comes down to the economy for me which can guide most of the social issues based on how its doing.

At least philly you aren't a single issue kind of guy. I'm still not sure who I am voting for either.

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While maintaining intellectual honesty, I can't convince you to vote for either of them.

As much as I want my vote to be "relevant", I can't even convince myself.

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I'm voting for Romney

I am terrified of Obama's policies.

His spending (worse that that newb Bush2) and belief that punishing success = more success are against what I believe.

Romney being tied in with the religious right is worrisome, but no more than any other politician tied to a large activist group.

Finally I have much much much more faith in Romney's ability to help the economy vs Obama's track record.

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Independent here also.

Do I want Cheney, Rove, and Bush back in the halls of power again? No. They still haven't answered for the mess they created and are much too close to Romney for me to be comfortable with. If Mitt was totally from another crew I'd give him a shot but not if your with the same gang like he is. His company will have a big influence on his policy, not necessarily what is coming out of his mouth, I hope people understand that.

No Obama didn't have the economy humming like we would all like it to be but the guy did pull us out of a nosedive with very little help if any from the other side, amazing if you ask me.

Romney foreign policy scares the bejesus out of me. You don't know what it is because he never tells you the same thing and the old guard is once again too close to him. Afghanistan broke Russia to the point of collapse. Iraq did the same to us. Why would I want a double dose having not recovered from a potential death blow?

I'm not stupid enough to get back with the old girlfriend that screwed me over, stole my money, and set fire to my family home.

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4 trillion in debt added, disastrous foreign policy, failed economic policies ( stimulus, qe 1,2,3 -- Hey lets just print more money guys!) failed energy policy, failed (i.e nonexistent) immigration policy, bungled health care reform, chronically high unemployment, the list goes on. You could vote for a trained monkey in a suit who could do a better job. So the answer is clearly anybody but Obama. And if you want to actually have a vote that matters instead of just salving your conscience, my vote would land with Romney.

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that's surprising because you definitely strike me as the constitution party type

When are you going to realize that every one if your silly stereotypes about me have been wrong and it's generally not a good idea to pretend you know anything about people over the Internet?

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All economic indicators are on an upward trend.

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Independent here also.

Do I want Cheney, Rove, and Bush back in the halls of power again? No.

Are you under the impression that Romney's owners are different than the Bush gang's owners?

Romney has already said he is putting 2 trillion into the military. Cha Ching! Defense contractors rejoice.

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4 trillion in debt added, disastrous foreign policy, failed economic policies ( stimulus, qe 1,2,3 -- Hey lets just print more money guys!) failed energy policy, failed (i.e nonexistent) immigration policy, bungled health care reform, chronically high unemployment, the list goes on. You could vote for a trained monkey in a suit who could do a better job. So the answer is clearly anybody but Obama. And if you want to actually have a vote that matters instead of just salving your conscience, my vote would land with Romney.

Actually, well over 5 trillion, but who's counting

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In the last 4 years I have been laid off 3x, and my wife twice, my house was foreclosed on and my insurance rates have quadroupled... For me to say that the economy is the most important issue of this election for me is a drastic understatement...

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