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I'm an independent moderate - convince me to vote for obama or romney.

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In the last 4 years I have been laid off 3x, and my wife twice, my house was foreclosed on and my insurance rates have quadroupled... For me to say that the economy is the most important issue of this election for me is a drastic understatement...

So you are voting Obama then?

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So you are voting Obama then?

To be fair, an Obama policy did keep us from LOSING our house

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Pretty good article from the Atlanta Journal Constitution..

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/10/16/so-how-much-has-obama-increased-federal-spending/

So, to get bring us back to where we started:

Spending growth of 9.6 percent makes you a great conservative hero.

Spending growth of 9.9 percent makes you a great conservative villain.

And spending growth of 16.5 percent, combined with large tax cuts, makes you a recent two-term president whom nobody in your party wants to mention, and sets your country on a financially dangerous glide path.

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Romney has made it very clear, when he thought no one was recording, on what he thinks of the middle class. Of course, thats not his public face, Thats no way to win an election. You win elections as a Republican by talking people into voting against their very own interests.

I honestly don't blame Romney for not giving two flips about the middle and lower class though. Its hard to care about something you cannot relate to in the slightest.

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Are you under the impression that Romney's owners are different than the Bush gang's owners?

Romney has already said he is putting 2 trillion into the military. Cha Ching! Defense contractors rejoice.

We know they are the one in the same. Those guys names aren't on front street though, for good reason I'm sure.

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4 trillion in debt added, disastrous foreign policy, failed economic policies ( stimulus, qe 1,2,3 -- Hey lets just print more money guys!) failed energy policy, failed (i.e nonexistent) immigration policy, bungled health care reform, chronically high unemployment, the list goes on. You could vote for a trained monkey in a suit who could do a better job. So the answer is clearly anybody but Obama. And if you want to actually have a vote that matters instead of just salving your conscience, my vote would land with Romney.

Not trying to convince you of anything but how can you blame the economy on Obama? That doesn't make sense unless you were born 3yrs ago.

The guy is trying to clean a very big mess while keeping the ship afloat with no help from the other side only games.

Anybody but is only one guy. A guy who has very many skeletons and is very shaky on all matters. Never has a stance because it is always shifting and couldn't beat John McCain for a reason.

If only Ron Paul was 20-30yrs younger...

Your "anybody but" has a lot of unanswered questions. Those secrets could prove to be very damaging to the nation. Out of the frying pan into the fire.

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Obama:

Google

Microsoft

DLA Piper

Kaiser Permanente

Deloitte LLP

Harvard University

University of California

Time Warner

IBM

Wells Fargo

Sidley Austin

Wilmerhale LLP

Skadden Arps et al (this is the big mamma jamma lobby body for the democrats)

Summary: banks, securities, oil, law, telecommunications, universities, software/technology

Romney:

Goldman Sachs

JP Morgan & Chase

Citigroup

Wells Fargo

Morgan Stanley

Bank of America

Credit Suisse Group (btw, the biggest, most unknown Romney supporter with more pull than anyone in DC: John Chalsty)

Barclays

Kirkland & Ellis

Pricewaterhouse Coopers

Deloitte LLP

GE

UBS AG

Summary: banks, securities, oil, law, telecommunications, accounting

*Just to note concerning 2016, Scott Brown and Mark Warner would probably be the top choices based purely on contributions and lobby interests.

*And the source site with a link to the top lobbying firms of 2012: http://www.opensecre...012&indexType=l

Mitt has been pandering to the people who hated him 4 years ago so much that independents forgot who he is. I think he will be a very hands off foreign policy type so we're looking at Mr. Jim Talent as being the new defense secretary and Jack Keane heading NSA.

Get this: From a non-religious family that came to his faith after listening to Luis Palau, Talent studied law in Chicago, represented Todd Akins current district, and worked for the lobby group who's top clients include Bob Johnson and Buzz Aldrin. Ain't that a twist of every which way haha.

We know how Obama has panned out with Foreign Policy so far but I think his Geithner replacement is crucial (he is gone regardless if Obama wins) and he'll likely go in a Jamie Dimon type direction (JP Morgan & Chase CEO) for Treasury.

Beyond the top donar lists and overall, the financial interests are near identical minus more securities and accounting on Romney's side of things with more secondary Wall St. backers with Obama. It's redundant and trendy to say apparently, but really...pick your poison.

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nice to see the banks hedging their bets. why choose one when you can buy both?

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So at this point we've been able to outline that both a vote for Obama and a vote for Romney would be the equivalent of a vote for Bush...which would make this his 4th term, haha. Obama has proven he can keep the Bush status-quo running strong, and Romney has very tight connections with the group as rippadonn was describing.

So...the moral of the story here is: If you liked Bush, then you can vote for either Obama or Romney and you will get what you want. If you did not like Bush, and you do not like the direction of the status-quo, then I would suggest you vote for someone else, such as Gary Johnson.

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I come from a long line of hardline fundamentalist religious conservatives, which cues you in on my sociological background. after a long stint in college republicans i quit college, pushed my xenophobic ideals aside after an existential crisis, shook the etch-a-sketch and took off on a wandering journey around the world, starting with a fresh sheet of paper, deciding what i believe is true about this universe apart from the mindless socialization and ideological shepherding.

politically, you need only know that i am a registered independent, i believe (at the moment, based on what i know) that a fully socialist society will not work because of human nature (which is the same reason i believe unregulated capitalism and corporatism will not work.) i do not care for political grandstanding and partisan cheering.

i would like to vote for jill stein, but that's not going to happen. i've heard enough criticism of gary johnson to question the wisdom of casting a vote for him. i prefer obama over romney based on what i know at this juncture.

using actual points, convince me to vote one way or another, and we will open a dialogue.

After all the rhetoric thats flown around since the primaries until now, i think the only true clue to whats happened is in the fact that s&p has downgraded us twice in the obummer administration. This contradicts nearly every word he has claimed towards his reviving economy. Not to mention the fact that he keeps pushing green jobs and infrastructure. We did that. It was the stimulus bill and it has failed. Why try it again. And finally. A man who wins the nobel peace prize should know better than to send ambassadors out in the world to run guns in foriegn countries. Which lead to the death of ambassador stevens. All the while trying to cover it up by crucifying an american citizen who made a video that had nothing to do with the terrorist attacks on the safe house stevens saught refuge in.

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Not trying to convince you of anything but how can you blame the economy on Obama? That doesn't make sense unless you were born 3yrs ago.

The guy is trying to clean a very big mess while keeping the ship afloat with no help from the other side only games.

Anybody but is only one guy. A guy who has very many skeletons and is very shaky on all matters. Never has a stance because it is always shifting and couldn't beat John McCain for a reason.

If only Ron Paul was 20-30yrs younger...

Your "anybody but" has a lot of unanswered questions. Those secrets could prove to be very damaging to the nation. Out of the frying pan into the fire.

It's a known fact that the bigger the dip in economic activity, the bigger the rebound. Having your GDP increase by a measly 1.3% in your 2q of your third year in office shows that whatever you are doing, it ain't working. Especially if this was the "greatest recession since the Great Depression" And to put it in football terms, there are some ready to fire Rivera after a season and a half, even though he inherited Fox's mess. Once your in charge, you own up and if you fall short, well, you tried but it's time to move on.

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Obama:

Goldman Sachs

JP Morgan & Chase

Citigroup

Google

Microsoft

Harvard University

University of California

Time Warner

Sidley Austin

Wilmerhale LLP

Skadden Arps et al (this is the big mamma jamma lobby body for the democrats)

UBS AG

Summary: banks, securities, oil, law, telecommunications, universities, software/technology

Romney:

Goldman Sachs

JP Morgan & Chase

Morgan Stanley

Bank of America

Credit Suisse Group (btw, the biggest, most unknown Romney supporter with more pull than anyone in DC: John Chalsty)

Barclays

Kirkland & Ellis

Pricewaterhouse Coopers

Deloitte LLP

GE

Summary: banks, securities, oil, law, telecommunications, accounting

*Just to note concerning 2016, Scott Brown and Mark Warner would probably be the top choices based purely on contributions and lobby interests.

*And the source site with a link to the top lobbying firms of 2012: http://www.opensecre...012&indexType=l

Mitt has been pandering to the people who hated him 4 years ago so much that independents forgot who he is. I think he will be a very hands off foreign policy type so we're looking at Mr. Jim Talent as being the new defense secretary and Jack Keane heading NSA.

Get this: From a non-religious family that came to his faith after listening to Luis Palau, Talent studied law in Chicago, represented Todd Akins current district, and worked for the lobby group who's top clients include Bob Johnson and Buzz Aldrin. Ain't that a twist of every which way haha.

We know how Obama has panned out with Foreign Policy so far but I think his Geithner replacement is crucial (he is gone regardless if Obama wins) and he'll likely go in a Jamie Dimon type direction (JP Morgan & Chase CEO) for Treasury.

Beyond the top donar lists and overall, the financial interests are near identical minus more securities and accounting on Romney's side of things with more secondary Wall St. backers with Obama. It's redundant and trendy to say apparently, but really...pick your poison.

are you sure that's THIS election cycle?

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/contriball.php

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