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#16 Murph

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 08:11 AM

There is "hard" and there is "incredibly hard". Some people have the luck and some skills to do it, others do not.

We can go with the survival of the fittest model, or we can go with the "we are all in this together" model.



It can easily be argued that both are equally dangerous.

#17 cookinwithgas

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 08:22 AM

I can see that. So the question is, what kind of civilization do we want to be?

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 06:05 PM

Are you in a backwards way implying that its actually...you know...hard work to pull one's self out of poverty? God I should hope not. Lets cut these folks a check ASAP so this problem is solved without anyone straining themselves


you wouldn't realize a lot of people work 6 or 7 days a week, between 1, 2, or 3 jobs and at the same time have a house to maintain or children to raise. They beat the crap out of themselves just so they get water running and electricity in their house and food in their mouths, I don't think moving their life 50 miles is something they're willing to make an investment in or is high on their priority list.

...when you get farther and farther away from the pedestal you're perched on saying crap like what's in quotes, the scenery looks a lot different.

Edited by Raging Bull, 22 May 2009 - 07:49 PM.


#19 mantal

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 07:00 PM

I'm not saying that we have to pay their way, but I don't have a problem sympathizing with their plight. Anyone who doesn't is simply an asshole, simply put. They can't drive to a discount grocery, so they have to walk to a local convenience store for groceries. You mean to tell me that you do not understand that groceries cost more at a convenience store? Here in Roanoke, there are no grocery stores in the poorer areas, they are miles away. The gas is 10 cents higher per gallon in these areas, hell yes it's tougher on them. Again, not saying we need to pay their way, but we do need to have some sympathy while we're bitching about the prices we're paying. They're paying a lot more with a lot less, get real...

Edited by Mintal, 22 May 2009 - 07:06 PM.


#20 Davidson Deac II

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 07:08 PM

Mexicans sure seem to be able to move easily enough.

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 07:22 PM

the solution to this problem isn't simply pouring money into these areas. i have no idea what it is, but more money don't seen like it'll solve it. maybe we look at the education around there. i can imagine education around there is pathetic. maybe focus on that.

then there's the environment. usually it's these kinds of conditions that force people towards crime, prostitution, and gangs. i'm not condoning their way of coping with their situation, but i can see why they would do such actions. attack that maybe. but money, no. maybe if the money is watched correctly and uses properly it'll help, but otherwise, no

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 07:39 PM

I'm not condoning throwing money at it, I'm just condoning sympathy, that's ALL I'm saying. To say the article is BS is complete BS and being an asshole as well, completely turning your back on a large part of our society.

Education probably has a lot to do with it. Drug/alcohol education is another thing that needs to be looked at. Maybe we should end our war on drugs and stop trying to to destroy the drug trade at it's source and put that money to the items above. It's for sure our 50 year approach to the drug trade is not working...

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 08:40 PM

It costs more money to put an 18 year old in prison for 5 years for a crack-cocaine conviction, than it would to get him a bachelor's degree.

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 10:10 PM

I've known a lot of people that got whatever help from friends, family, the community, that they needed, because they were doing what they had to do for a better life.

And then, there's the polar opposite, sitting in their trailer, spending their last 120 bucks on an ounce of pot and a case of beer, talking about what their next tattoo will be while chain smoking a carton of cigarettes a day, sucking off the system. Nobody wants to help them, and that's why they never stop living in a poohole.

People that want a better life go out and get a better life. (No, its not that simple. Its hard fuging work. Its a whole lot easier to just sit around on a nasty couch like a leech.) People that don't keep making the same stupid fuging mistakes over and over again. Another baby. Another beer. Another car they can't afford. A flat screen when they don't even have food in the fridge.

I doubt there is anyone on these forums that wouldn't help someone they sincerely thought was trying to make a better lives for themselves, unless they'd been burned several times by that individual already.

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 10:13 PM

It costs more money to put an 18 year old in prison for 5 years for a crack-cocaine conviction, than it would to get him a bachelor's degree.


Well, drug laws are disproportionately racist and used to prey on those living in poverty stricken areas, there's no doubt about that. Its just one part of the trap laid by both republicans and democrats.

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 10:50 PM

It costs more money to put an 18 year old in prison for 5 years for a crack-cocaine conviction, than it would to get him a bachelor's degree.


Well that depends on what school they go to. :)

You can make someone go to prison, but you can't make them go to college. To many people I knew growing up have wasted whatever talents they have in a life of cigarettes, weed, alchohol and junk food. Breaking this cycle starts at an early age. I wish there was something that the government could do, but I don't think there is. Its going to take changes in the parents.

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Posted 24 May 2009 - 04:26 PM

I would say at the epicenter of poverty is teenage pregnancy.
The cycle of poverty for many start right there. Get pregnant much earlier than normal or unexpectedly, drop out of high school, little to no support system and it's screw it from there.
Not saying someone who has a child young can't avoid the viscious cycle but it's very very hard to do.


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