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#91 rayzor

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 11:22 AM

Sounds like a winner but I like my GMs to be from networks... im hiring Michael Lombardi.

Curious real question... Will the next GM get a three year pass or will the huddle want to fire.com him after halftime of Game1 of preseason?

first draft day.

if he doesn't go by mel kipers draft board i say we fire him on the spot.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 11:22 AM

not at all serious, btw.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 11:25 AM

first draft day.

if he doesn't go by mel kipers draft board i say we fire him on the spot.


lol!

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 11:29 AM

Dave Gettleman bio from the Giants site

http://www.giants.co...35-aecea77aa9cb


That's the short version. Click to get the expanded version and you'll find he started in the league as a college scout and continued in that capacity for 13 years or so. He's worked at both levels. No indication he's worked with the cap though (outside shot he brings Kevin Abrams with him).

Might take some effort to dig up more. Cursory web search on him didn't produce much outside his team bio.

Definitely worth a look, but with the source being Florio, also worth a grain of salt.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 11:33 AM

the more i think about it, the more i want us to bring in a personnel guy and a cap guy. of course i don't have to pay for two people to do what should be one man's job, either.

one thing is clear to me...if jerry wants this team to be a winner and to get him a lombardi before he dies, he's gonna have to open up that check book. that means hiring two people that are great at their job rather than one guy who is good (hopefully) at both.

that also applies to the HC job. gonna have to spend to get someone we can trust to get things turned around.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 11:35 AM

the more i think about it, the more i want us to bring in a personnel guy and a cap guy. of course i don't have to pay for two people to do what should be one man's job, either.

one thing is clear to me...if jerry wants this team to be a winner and to get him a lombardi before he dies, he's gonna have to open up that check book. that means hiring two people that are great at their job rather than one guy who is good (hopefully) at both.

that also applies to the HC job. gonna have to spend to get someone we can trust to get things turned around.


I'd agree. And I'd also look at replacing some of the entrenched people.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 11:41 AM

Will say this. Gettleman doesn't fit the "young guy" idea that Yasinskas floated, but he's been part of more success than Jerry Richardson has ever seen with the Panthers and has scouted at both the college and pro levels.

Interesting, to say the least.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 11:57 AM

Switched from my iPad to my PC and found search was way more productive.

One tidbit. Just this past year, the Giants cut down on his duties. He was also scouting opponents as well as personnel. They gave him a different title and asked him to focus on personnel only.

A GM with experience scouting opponents is intriguing.

Also of note: GM Jerry Reese refers to Gettleman as a mentor.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 12:00 PM

I'd agree. And I'd also look at replacing some of the entrenched people.

no sacred cows.

i have no problem with keeping effective people around.

and no, just being part of a losing culture doesn't mean one isn't good at his job, but it also makes it hard to distinguish the good from the bad.

i remember hearing that after the 2010 season, aside from don gregory the whole college scouting department was rebuilt. it was one of those "quiet" rebuilds. if that is the case, i would have no problem keeping that staff around just based on what they did this last year.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 12:02 PM

Switched from my iPad to my PC and found search was way more productive.

One tidbit. Just this past year, the Giants cut down on his duties. He was also scouting opponents as well as personnel. They gave him a different title and asked him to focus on personnel only.

A GM with experience scouting opponents is intriguing.

Also of note: GM Jerry Reese refers to Gettleman as a mentor.

i think that could be a useful element.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 12:03 PM

no sacred cows.

i have no problem with keeping effective people around.

and no, just being part of a losing culture doesn't mean one isn't good at his job, but it also makes it hard to distinguish the good from the bad.

i remember hearing that after the 2010 season, aside from don gregory the whole college scouting department was rebuilt. it was one of those "quiet" rebuilds. if that is the case, i would have no problem keeping that staff around just based on what they did this last year.


Speaking of structure, check out this quote...

Early last week, pro scout Matt Shauger, who scouted the Patriots and Ravens in the AFC Championship Game, delivered a 125-page report to Tom Coughlin and staff that provided the template for the Giants’ game plan on Sunday. The cover of the report read: New England Patriots Super Bowl XLVI February 5, 2012 Rosters Depth Charts Injuries Notes.

The report includes matchup advantages and matchup disadvantages, as well as tendencies. “It’s a very thorough document for the coaches to give them a starting point for their preparation, but it’s not X’s and O’s-oriented as much as it is player-evaluation oriented,” Gettleman said.


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Think we have anybody on staff who could do that?

That's a sign of a winning organization.

And who knows? This guy Shauger might make a good Director of Pro Personnel.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 12:09 PM

One other thing...

Gettleman was apparently a candidate for the Chiefs GM job that ultimately went to Scott Pioli. He was also a candidate for the Browns GM position before they hired George Kokinis (bet they'd like a do-over on that).

The most interesting part: The Browns were using a consultant to guide the GM search. The consultant recommended Gettleman be interviewed.

Three guesses who the consultant was...

(Hint here)

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 12:13 PM

Someone that I think Accorsi could definitely take a look at for us is Scott Fitterer from Seattle. He was with the giants from 98-00 and has been with Seattle since 01. He may be staying pat out west though but an interesting name to throw in.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 12:14 PM

Speaking of structure, check out this quote...



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Think we have anybody on staff who could do that?

That's a sign of a winning organization.

And who knows? This guy Shauger might make a good Director of Pro Personnel.

that would be awesome.

if we raid the giants staff, i wouldn't mind him being among the booty we steal.

stuff like that is what puts you just a bit over the top.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 12:14 PM

That's the short version. Click to get the expanded version and you'll find he started in the league as a college scout and continued in that capacity for 13 years or so. He's worked at both levels. No indication he's worked with the cap though (outside shot he brings Kevin Abrams with him).


I want a proven talent evaluator. Knowing how to spot good young players that will fit your vision is much more difficult than managing the cap. Cap management is largely a mechanical exercise with numbers. Frankly, any accountant worth his or her salt could probably do a fine job with that part of the job. Throw in a good lawyer to help with negotiations and contract legalese, and you're covered.

Does anyone really believe that it was naivete on the part of our cap guy that resulted in us signing all those excessive contracts last year? Marty and JR decided they were going to pay whatever it took to keep our "core" and then gave marching orders to Rogers.

Give me the best football guy we can find and fill in the blanks if he is lacking in the cap area.


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