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#61 rayzor

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 10:06 AM

Correct. If JR has someone in mind who's currently employed, we're going to have to wait until that team's season ends. And I might be assuming here, but I can't imagine it not being someone who's currently with a team that's on track to make the playoffs.

sorry...not enough coffee this morning.

were you saying that he'd probably be someone who is with a team on track to make the playoffs?

i think i would prefer it being someone who is with a winning organization. it might cause us to wait a while longer, but wouldn't it be better quality if it's someone who has helped build a current winning team?

do you wait for the best quality even if it cuts a few weeks out of potential rebuilding time or do you jump on the first available somewhat decent candidate so you can get a jump on building?

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 10:30 AM

sorry...not enough coffee this morning.

were you saying that he'd probably be someone who is with a team on track to make the playoffs?

i think i would prefer it being someone who is with a winning organization. it might cause us to wait a while longer, but wouldn't it be better quality if it's someone who has helped build a current winning team?

do you wait for the best quality even if it cuts a few weeks out of potential rebuilding time or do you jump on the first available somewhat decent candidate so you can get a jump on building?


Pretty sure we could start interviewing during the playoffs. I don't think the rules that limit when you can interview coaches in the postseason apply to front office people.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 12:21 PM

Should be able to get the profile for Marc Ross up this weekend, but let me give you a quick preview for where my thinking is headed on this topic.

I know if you took a vote amongst Huddle members right this moment, Marc Ross would be the likely favorite.

He wouldn't get my vote, and I'll tell you why.

Ross has never been anything but a scouting guy. Looking over his resume', I see nothing to make me confident he'll be a great administrator. Is it possible he might be? Sure, but there's nothing in his background to inspire confidence that he will.

Kevin Abrams is a different story.

Abrams has been the Giants Assistant GM for 11 seasons and worked as their salary cap manager for three years prior to that. He's got experience with the administrative side of things as well as looking at talent evaluation with GM Jerry Reese. Ross is only in his fifth year as Giants Director of Scouting. Before that he was a scout. Plenty of experience as an evaluator, but that's pretty much it.

Aaahhh, but here's the kicker.

There is at the very least the potential that if you hire Abrams, you also get Ross.

The Panthers currently have no one serving as Director of Player Personnel or (obviously) Assistant GM. Abrams might be able to convince Richardson to create one of those positions and offer it to Ross as an enticement to bring him over too, thus effectively remaking the entire Panther personnel machine.

Of course, things like contract status and the willingness of the Giants to give permission for interviews factor in here. And there is the very real possibility that if the Giants lose Abrams, they might offer their already-existing Assistant GM position to Ross.

But if the Panthers were able to acquire both Abrams and Ross, that might just be a dream scenario.

That is, unless you don't like Canadians. Abrams is from Toronto.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 12:28 PM

I can't imagine prying two guys away from an organization like the Giants and a place like NYC.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 12:35 PM

I can't imagine prying two guys away from an organization like the Giants and a place like NYC.


Prying at least one wouldn't be that difficult. Happens all the time. The combo of enough money, sufficient power and the right title is usually all you need (of course, you have to be willing to offer those things).

Two guys? Yeah, tricky. If Ross isn't under contract beyond this season though, the road becomes easier. And even if he is, the idea to get promoted and maybe even be 'heir apparent' could be a good draw.

Ultimately, I wouldn't bet on it happening. But even if that didn't pan out, I'd still choose Abrams over Ross.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 02:18 PM

Should be able to get the profile for Marc Ross up this weekend, but let me give you a quick preview for where my thinking is headed on this topic.

I know if you took a vote amongst Huddle members right this moment, Marc Ross would be the likely favorite.

He wouldn't get my vote, and I'll tell you why.

Ross has never been anything but a scouting guy. Looking over his resume', I see nothing to make me confident he'll be a great administrator. Is it possible he might be? Sure, but there's nothing in his background to inspire confidence that he will.

Kevin Abrams is a different story.

Abrams has been the Giants Assistant GM for 11 seasons and worked as their salary cap manager for three years prior to that. He's got experience with the administrative side of things as well as looking at talent evaluation with GM Jerry Reese. Ross is only in his fifth year as Giants Director of Scouting. Before that he was a scout. Plenty of experience as an evaluator, but that's pretty much it.

Aaahhh, but here's the kicker.

There is at the very least the potential that if you hire Abrams, you also get Ross.

The Panthers currently have no one serving as Director of Player Personnel or (obviously) Assistant GM. Abrams might be able to convince Richardson to create one of those positions and offer it to Ross as an enticement to bring him over too, thus effectively remaking the entire Panther personnel machine.

Of course, things like contract status and the willingness of the Giants to give permission for interviews factor in here. And there is the very real possibility that if the Giants lose Abrams, they might offer their already-existing Assistant GM position to Ross.

But if the Panthers were able to acquire both Abrams and Ross, that might just be a dream scenario.

That is, unless you don't like Canadians. Abrams is from Toronto.


Ross was College Director for the Eagles before he giants. He's been a member of some of the most successful teams in the NFL for over the last decade and been in scouting since 97. He is the Jim Harbaugh of GMs if we miss on him we will be kicking ourselves just like we are kicking ourselves for missing out on him.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 02:21 PM

Ross was College Director for the Eagles before he giants. He's been a member of some of the most successful teams in the NFL for over the last decade and been in scouting since 97. He is the Jim Harbaugh of GMs if we miss on him we will be kicking ourselves just like we are kicking ourselves for missing out on him.


There's a lot I like about Ross, and I definitely wouldn't scream if he got the GM gig.

Looking at their respective resumes' though, I just think Abrams is the better choice.

Getting both in the scenario I described above is probably a pipe dream, but stranger things have happened.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 02:24 PM

There's a lot I like about Ross, and I definitely wouldn't scream if he got the GM gig.

Looking at their respective resumes' though, I just think Abrams is the better choice.

Getting both in the scenario I described above is probably a pipe dream, but stranger things have happened.


Personally I'm tired of the cap manager. I know I would go with the evaluator and sign an assistant GM to handle the cap side.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 02:25 PM

Just wondering how much time the next GM/HC will be given by Huddlers b4 they turn on them....

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 02:36 PM

About a quarter.

(in the preseason)


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