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Why does Rivera say we do not have the personal to run his scheme?

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First, Does anyone know "his scheme"?

I do not know the answers here but I can not imagine the modified version of a college shotgun offense as being his scheme.So does that mean he does not believe Cam can run his scheme or do we not have the personal to run a college offense? I get the impression from Cam that all is not well with his relationship with the play caller being Chud..

Is the read option his scheme? If so, we are in for a bumpy ride.What is his scheme on defense? My assumption is some form of Jim Johnson scheme.What personal do we need to run the Jim Johnson scheme? Someone please say FS.

I guess my last question is do we have the cap space to change schemes given we do not have the talent?

My opinion is this is one big ploy to make excuses for poor coaching and poor execution.I felt Hurney needed to go but not before taking Rivera and company with him.Please someone prove me wrong.

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In truth the opposing defenses do not have the personell for us to run our offensive scheme. We need to check and see if they would be willing to put a bunch of college kids in against us.

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...and therein is the paradox of Rivera.

It's great to say 'we are going to be a vertical attacking team' if we have the personal to run it.

We do not.

It would be better to use schemes to fit the personal available and morph into the team he wants to be through the draft and free agency.

Either he does not get it, Chud doesn't get it, or Rivera is not smart enough to say, this is what we are right now and this is what we are going to be until we get the players to support the scheme we want to become.

It's very frustrating.

...and then to have a GM who pays like we are running the old Fox offense and HC who wants to be Don Coryell, part 2.

I don't know where the team is going but to go forward, you have to understand where you are on the map first and I don't think the current staff has a clue.

Players need a direction. Someone like Newton has to believe in the direction he's leading to...hard to watch right now.

One thing to me is certain, if they come out in Chicago and that read option as their primary design run against that Bear defense, Rivera should be fired on the spot for being the dumbest HC in the history of the NFL.

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Reading between the lines the removal of Hurney says he has not either drafted or obtained the talent in FA for Ron Rivera to be successful.This is more than likely a true statement but Rivera can not get off that easily..As RaleighPanther so eloquently stated we must first run an offense that fits our personal and then modify it as we draft and get players through FA.I think the frustration lies with week after week putting a square peg in a round hole and this is where Chud and Rivera have failed both the fans and the team.If they try the same old crap against the bears they are going to get the same old results.With the personal I see on hand we need to run a power running game to counter a suspect OL and shorten the routes for the passing game which is exactly opposite of the Chud schemes,Ron Rivera has lost the confidence of the players and fans and this falls squarely on his shoulders.

In summary JR is giving you the rope .......do not hang yourself. The bears game will be very telling of Rivera's salt going forward.

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In truth the opposing defenses do not have the personell for us to run our offensive scheme. We need to check and see if they would be willing to put a bunch of college kids in against us.

Well it starts with the QB. Chud didnt run this with a quality QB that could read defenses in SD. ONLY with THIS QB has he had to run an option offense.

Change QB's the offense will get better.

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Well it starts with the QB. Chud didnt run this with a quality QB that could read defenses in SD. ONLY with THIS QB has he had to run an option offense.

Change QB's the offense will get better.

I don't mean this as an insult, just an honest inquiry. Are you fugging insane?

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Well it starts with the QB. Chud didnt run this with a quality QB that could read defenses in SD. ONLY with THIS QB has he had to run an option offense.

Change QB's the offense will get better.

Cam ran a pro style offense last year...

Your hate is unjust. Cam must have fugged your mother or something.

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Well it starts with the QB. Chud didnt run this with a quality QB that could read defenses in SD. ONLY with THIS QB has he had to run an option offense.

Change QB's the offense will get better.

You sir, are a fuging idiot.

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Where did he say this? Was it in referecne to Offense or Defense? Damn, so much happening it is hard to keep up with it all.

The thread is going Offense so I guess thats what he said. What a weird thing for a HC to say (guessing he said it since it is being discussed). Take who you have and go put a plan together to win games. Its not that hard is it...???

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So...what is this team lacking that does not allow Rivera to run his scheme? What are they missing?

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So...what is this team lacking that does not allow Rivera to run his scheme? What are they missing?

That is the million dollar question

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What in the Panthers would lead anyone to believe they can run a 'vertical' offense right now?

A running game that makes the passing game work?

A non-porous offensive line? Can this line truly hold blocks long enough for those longer routes?

A veritical threat to compliment an aging Steve Smith?

A QB with more experience than 20 games?

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