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#1 jarhead

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 05:41 AM

First, Does anyone know "his scheme"?

I do not know the answers here but I can not imagine the modified version of a college shotgun offense as being his scheme.So does that mean he does not believe Cam can run his scheme or do we not have the personal to run a college offense? I get the impression from Cam that all is not well with his relationship with the play caller being Chud..

Is the read option his scheme? If so, we are in for a bumpy ride.What is his scheme on defense? My assumption is some form of Jim Johnson scheme.What personal do we need to run the Jim Johnson scheme? Someone please say FS.

I guess my last question is do we have the cap space to change schemes given we do not have the talent?

My opinion is this is one big ploy to make excuses for poor coaching and poor execution.I felt Hurney needed to go but not before taking Rivera and company with him.Please someone prove me wrong.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 05:53 AM

In truth the opposing defenses do not have the personell for us to run our offensive scheme. We need to check and see if they would be willing to put a bunch of college kids in against us.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 06:22 AM

...and therein is the paradox of Rivera.

It's great to say 'we are going to be a vertical attacking team' if we have the personal to run it.

We do not.

It would be better to use schemes to fit the personal available and morph into the team he wants to be through the draft and free agency.

Either he does not get it, Chud doesn't get it, or Rivera is not smart enough to say, this is what we are right now and this is what we are going to be until we get the players to support the scheme we want to become.

It's very frustrating.

...and then to have a GM who pays like we are running the old Fox offense and HC who wants to be Don Coryell, part 2.

I don't know where the team is going but to go forward, you have to understand where you are on the map first and I don't think the current staff has a clue.

Players need a direction. Someone like Newton has to believe in the direction he's leading to...hard to watch right now.

One thing to me is certain, if they come out in Chicago and that read option as their primary design run against that Bear defense, Rivera should be fired on the spot for being the dumbest HC in the history of the NFL.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 07:00 AM

Reading between the lines the removal of Hurney says he has not either drafted or obtained the talent in FA for Ron Rivera to be successful.This is more than likely a true statement but Rivera can not get off that easily..As RaleighPanther so eloquently stated we must first run an offense that fits our personal and then modify it as we draft and get players through FA.I think the frustration lies with week after week putting a square peg in a round hole and this is where Chud and Rivera have failed both the fans and the team.If they try the same old crap against the bears they are going to get the same old results.With the personal I see on hand we need to run a power running game to counter a suspect OL and shorten the routes for the passing game which is exactly opposite of the Chud schemes,Ron Rivera has lost the confidence of the players and fans and this falls squarely on his shoulders.

In summary JR is giving you the rope .......do not hang yourself. The bears game will be very telling of Rivera's salt going forward.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 07:10 AM

In truth the opposing defenses do not have the personell for us to run our offensive scheme. We need to check and see if they would be willing to put a bunch of college kids in against us.


Well it starts with the QB. Chud didnt run this with a quality QB that could read defenses in SD. ONLY with THIS QB has he had to run an option offense.

Change QB's the offense will get better.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 07:14 AM

Well it starts with the QB. Chud didnt run this with a quality QB that could read defenses in SD. ONLY with THIS QB has he had to run an option offense.

Change QB's the offense will get better.



I don't mean this as an insult, just an honest inquiry. Are you fugging insane?

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 08:10 AM

Well it starts with the QB. Chud didnt run this with a quality QB that could read defenses in SD. ONLY with THIS QB has he had to run an option offense.

Change QB's the offense will get better.



Cam ran a pro style offense last year...



Your hate is unjust. Cam must have fugged your mother or something.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 08:14 AM

Well it starts with the QB. Chud didnt run this with a quality QB that could read defenses in SD. ONLY with THIS QB has he had to run an option offense.

Change QB's the offense will get better.



You sir, are a fuging idiot.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 08:21 AM

Where did he say this? Was it in referecne to Offense or Defense? Damn, so much happening it is hard to keep up with it all.

The thread is going Offense so I guess thats what he said. What a weird thing for a HC to say (guessing he said it since it is being discussed). Take who you have and go put a plan together to win games. Its not that hard is it...???

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 08:22 AM

So...what is this team lacking that does not allow Rivera to run his scheme? What are they missing?

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 08:35 AM

So...what is this team lacking that does not allow Rivera to run his scheme? What are they missing?


That is the million dollar question

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 08:46 AM

What in the Panthers would lead anyone to believe they can run a 'vertical' offense right now?

A running game that makes the passing game work?
A non-porous offensive line? Can this line truly hold blocks long enough for those longer routes?
A veritical threat to compliment an aging Steve Smith?
A QB with more experience than 20 games?

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 08:48 AM

Highland is a bammer fan I think.
Its the only explanation for this unending hate.
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Posted 23 October 2012 - 08:49 AM

Bottom line is that instead of running an offense that fits the personel, we're running an offense forced upon the personel that overly caters to our young QB. Its ruining Cam and if Chud does not start making more pro-style smash mouth gameplans, I'm afraid Cam could be damaged immensely by the year's end.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 08:58 AM

I agree about the impacts on Newton.

...but, I don't think its true its a tailored offense for Newton. This isn't about Newton. It is about not having the overall offensive blend to make the vertical scheme work at the moment. We do not have the personnel yet. We have run personnel with a scheme for vertical and that's why this is such a bloody mess.

Newton can throw vertically, he throws a beautiful long ball when he has time. He does need to learn to step into the pocket, he does need to learn the normal things a QB needs to learn in game 22 with a year of tape on him.

It is also about throwing away something as a base offense that should be an option.


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