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#31 beach

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 09:55 AM

Where did you just explain the personnel issues that won't allow him to run his scheme?

Yes we have been running a read option as our base. No it obviously hasn't worked. Is that his doing? We won't now til Sunday. If we continue to see it, then yes it's he and Chuds idea. If it goes bye bye then we can assume it was Marty's idea.

I think the biggest problem for the Bears come Sunday is that we're gonna throw a whole new look at them... No film to prepare for it.
That in my mind gives us an edge


In the first sentence

We have an offense built for a power running Coryell-style Offense with DeAngelo, J-Stew, Olsen, and an offensive line that works well in a zone blocking scheme.

And if the read option is scrapped this coming game, our coaches are using the firing of Hurney as an excuse to change their game planning. Hurney accumulated the talent, he did not implement the scheme. He's wasn't a coach and to think a GM is in charge of developing a playbook is short-sighted

I'll finish by agreeing with you. The Chicago game presents us the opportunity to come out with a new look. (Which we claimed we would do against the Cowgirls)

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 10:06 AM

Yeah... Shockey is gone... But we still have Hartsock, and Barnidge... Hartsock is an even better blocker than Shockey was


hartsock can block, but isn't a recieving threat.

barnidge can catch, but can't block.

shockey can do both.

#33 TruCatzFan

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 10:06 AM

In the first sentence

We have an offense built for a power running Coryell-style Offense with DeAngelo, J-Stew, Olsen, and an offensive line that works well in a zone blocking scheme.

And if the read option is scrapped this coming game, our coaches are using the firing of Hurney as an excuse to change their game planning. Hurney accumulated the talent, he did not implement the scheme. He's wasn't a coach and to think a GM is in charge of developing a playbook is short-sighted

I'll finish by agreeing with you. The Chicago game presents us the opportunity to come out with a new look. (Which we claimed we would do against the Cowgirls)


Much better explanation that time. We won't know what the changes will be come Sunday, but RR guaranteed changes, but then again so did Obama. Last time I checked that didn't work out so well. Hopefully RR's changes will.

I would like to counter you with a little bit of speculation to see if you thought it was as weird as I did in RR's Presser yesterday.

Didn't you find it odd, that the first thing he did was put Gamble on IR? He seemed authoritative about it... Almost as if he had no voice in doing it the week prior. Also said the buck stopped with him. Again very authoritative in that remark. This is just an inference on my part, but I don't think that RR or his staff had much to say about anything. It also came out yesterday, that McDermott couldn't even tell us who or where he would start at certain positions because "it wasn't his call to make" how does the DC not have that call? Was he implying that RR makes that call? Perhaps... But I choose to think that Marty made al, of the calls, and that's why RR's contract is chump change compared to most HC's around the League.

Make no mistake about it... We are going to find out just how good or bad RR is at being a HC in the coming weeks... He now has full control over this team, he made that very obvious in his presser. Now we're gonna find out what he can do with what we have.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 10:10 AM

hartsock can block, but isn't a recieving threat.

barnidge can catch, but can't block.

shockey can do both.


Stereotypically true on Hartsock... But I do remember him laying out for a ball and making a spectacular catch earlier in the season. I do agree with you mostly though. Also neither of them have that "edge" or swag that Shockey had.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 10:11 AM

hartsock can block, but isn't a recieving threat.

barnidge can catch, but can't block.

shockey can do both.

if we can just create a machine to combine the 2 we may get somewhere

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 10:16 AM

Much better explanation that time. We won't know what the changes will be come Sunday, but RR guaranteed changes, but then again so did Obama. Last time I checked that didn't work out so well. Hopefully RR's changes will.

I would like to counter you with a little bit of speculation to see if you thought it was as weird as I did in RR's Presser yesterday.

Didn't you find it odd, that the first thing he did was put Gamble on IR? He seemed authoritative about it... Almost as if he had no voice in doing it the week prior. Also said the buck stopped with him. Again very authoritative in that remark. This is just an inference on my part, but I don't think that RR or his staff had much to say about anything. It also came out yesterday, that McDermott couldn't even tell us who or where he would start at certain positions because "it wasn't his call to make" how does the DC not have that call? Was he implying that RR makes that call? Perhaps... But I choose to think that Marty made al, of the calls, and that's why RR's contract is chump change compared to most HC's around the League.

Make no mistake about it... We are going to find out just how good or bad RR is at being a HC in the coming weeks... He now has full control over this team, he made that very obvious in his presser. Now we're gonna find out what he can do with what we have.


I guess your right in the fact we'll find out this coming Sunday but I'm not expecting to see that big of a change. I really dunno but its never looked like anyone has been in control of our direction. Kinda how Stephen A. Smith put it yesterday.

This team is leaderless and lost wandering in the woods right now. That is the worst type of situation to have when you have a vulnerable young QB (both mentally and in-game), above average veterans who have not experienced success in years, and a coach who is just meh. Given the players we have, regardless of who's making the shots, they are lost on how to utilize our talent.

I just think Rivera is gone at the end of the season and we're giving him the opportunity to save face. We'll see what happens.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 10:20 AM

Al y'all have failed miserably in this thread!!!!

His schem is a 3-4 DEFENSE... Nothing t do with offense

He has more talent on offense than he has ever had on any other team that he has ever coached.


I disagree....he is a head coach now ,,he is responsible for winning games.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 10:25 AM

Al y'all have failed miserably in this thread!!!!

His schem is a 3-4 DEFENSE... Nothing t do with offense

He has more talent on offense than he has ever had on any other team that he has ever coached.


One, he has never been a head coach before,

Two, He coached on a team with the following players:
Phillip Rivers
Ladanian Tomlinson
Michael Turner
Darren Sproles
Antonio Gates
Vincent Jackson

Please think before you post, I know that is a lot to ask of you.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 11:37 AM

One, he has never been a head coach before,

Two, He coached on a team with the following players:
Phillip Rivers
Ladanian Tomlinson
Michael Turner
Darren Sproles
Antonio Gates
Vincent Jackson

Please think before you post, I know that is a lot to ask of you.


I was referring to defense... But ok let's do it!

Cam Newton (do u really want to argue that Phillip Rivers is better) seriously?
Williams (compare his and LT's ypc and get back to me)
Stewart ( lots of versatility being wasted)
Tolbert (could very well be Michael Turner if used properly)
Olsen ( no Antonio gates)
Smitty (no contest comparing him to VJ)

Overall, With he players you've named, I don't think they have much of an edge. The only thing you have working for you in your argument is that u have history on your side. LT was an MVP... If we featured one of our backs the way that they featured LT we might be able to get similar production.

In fact this is a dumb argument anyways... This team has not implemented a game plan to feature any of the players I've listed other than Cam... When THAT changes, we will be more productive offensively.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 11:41 AM

When RR was hired, he said he wanted an OC that would take control of the offensive side of the operation. He stated he didn't want to have much/if anything to do with that side of the ball. To me that sent up a huge RED FLAG. The offense is not his. He is a glorified DC, nothing more.


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