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#25 ClawOn

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 01:15 AM

Cam is not a genius. Not particularly close. He doesn't naturally speak like RG3 or Luck or Brady or anyone along those lines. He needs a much stronger leader (HC) who can help rein in some of verbal tendencies to make a problem worse. I think he can improve with the right leader; Rivera clearly ain't it.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 02:13 AM

There is definately room for improvement, but Cam is only 23 years old and has dominated the sport of football everywhere he has been... until now. It shouldn't be surprising that he is not handling losing it in a way that an older more experienced individual might.

If his supporting cast of players and coaches were more seasoned and successful in their own careers, I seriously doubt we would be seeing this side of him.

As it is, this team is in chaos right now and we are seeing some of the typical symptoms of that reality.

Anyone remember Kerry Collins?

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 03:35 AM

I love how the media chooses to treat his suggestion box comment as a serious statement.....

They talk about Cam's immaturity....treating that comment as serious must mean they have IQs of 3 yr olds


You're on point.

I guess Warren Moon was right in calling out the media and their clear bais towards Cam.

What's so sad is the cowardness of the Panther fans. Or is there something else behind the constant desire to follow the media's lead and criticize Cam at every turn?

I'm so glad the Jets fans saw through the media and ignored them when they set out to have the Jets get rid of Sanchez and replace him with tjeir more chosen QB, The Golden Calf of Bristol.

The media owns the NFL. It seems they now call the shots with silly articles like this.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 03:41 AM

There is definately room for improvement, but Cam is only 23 years old and has dominated the sport of football everywhere he has been... until now. It shouldn't be surprising that he that he is not handling losing it in a way that an older more experienced individual might.

If his supporting cast of players and coaches were more seasoned and successful in their own careers, I seriously doubt we would be seeing this side of him.

As it is, this team is in chaos right now and we are seeing some of they typical symptoms of that reality.

Anyone remember Kerry Collins?


Please show me how an older and more experienced QB handles losing. God...Are you folks seriously this SHALLOW?

Every ish the media writes about this kid you folks jump on. Talk about dumbing down. How do you not know what is really fustrating Cam? Why does it have to be about his maturity level because someone in the media says so?

Do you folks even know this kid? Have you ever taken the time to see who he really is or have you simply made up your minds based on the media constant spoonfeeding you?

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 03:48 AM

Cam did talk about his failures. But, as much as I hate to admit it....when he loses...he is moping....and I am sorry, it almost seems like he feels like he is a victim. He also mentioned the coordinator in this presser......a big NONO. Cam is not a rookie anymore. He needs to man up. He comes across as self centered with his ridiculous Superman celebrations when he scores. His losing sulking is getting old. Someone needs to grow a pair and be straight with Cam. If I need to be the one...someone hook me up.


Who fugging cares if Cam mopes. Let the damn kid mope if he wants. Tom Brady is fugging thirty something and I don't recall him all smiles when his danm team loses. Your damn team is a mess and all you folks are concerned about is the every dumb ish the media sit and make up about your QB.

FYI, your FUGGING TEAM isn't 1-5 because Cam mopes or sit with a fugging towel on his head nor don't smile during his presser. FUGGING BUY A CLUE.

I swear ESPN and others must come to this site and see how you folks behave towards Cam. You seriously make their job easy.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 04:04 AM

Please show me how an older and more experienced QB handles losing. God...Are you folks seriously this SHALLOW?

Every ish the media writes about this kid you folks jump on. Talk about dumbing down. How do you not know what is really fustrating Cam? Why does it have to be about his maturity level because someone in the media says so?

Do you folks even know this kid? Have you ever taken the time to see who he really is or have you simply made up your minds based on the media constant spoonfeeding you?

Cam Newton is being ruined. In the aftermath of Sunday’s loss to the Cowboys, Newton, once again, handled the postgame news conference horribly. He not-so-subtly criticized his coaching staff. He flippantly quipped that he wanted to bring a suggestion box into the news conference. He condescendingly called a female reporter “sweetheart.”

He sounded like a crybaby and a loser. The black information bubble immediately leaped to Cam’s defense, claiming Cam’s critique of the offensive strategy was accurate.

The accuracy of his complaints is irrelevant. A quarterback is in partnership with his head coach and offensive coordinator. Their disagreements and criticisms should be handled internally and not referenced at a news conference by the QB.

http://msn.foxsports...terbacks-102312

You are right footballisasport Cam has no room for improvement at 23 years old. That must have just been my "shallowness" coming through again. :rolleyes:

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 04:10 AM

Everybody in the media and even some of our fans put losses solely on Cam's shoulders....

Then he says, "fug it, I'll talk as if this is my team to run" with some of his comments....

And people get pissed? If he doesn't say anything at all, he's immature. If he speaks his mind and is honest and forthcoming, he's almost always called immature. You want him to kiss ass? Want him to put on a fake smile and not be honest? Is this what we've come to? Pardon the South Park reference, but when did we lower the bar to saying, "no, don't let these overly-criticized athletes be honest when asked a question"? If coaches/ownership don't want players answering certain questions, then they should screen them and if one gets sneaked in, then they should cut the interview there and say next question or just pull the player away. Short of doing that, if the man is asked a question, and he's honest and speaks his mind, and it's not something you like....figure out WHY he is saying it rather than bitch about the fact THAT he said it.


Well said.

With all BS that I read on this site, it's good to come across someone that seem to really look at a situation introspectively. There is way to much shallow and empty viewpoints of Cam on this site. It's like Cam is nothing but a whopping boy for folks who don't want to call out the team but need someone to take their anger out on. I can bet you dollars to donut that if Luck was Cam and the exact same behavior the media would NEVER find anything wrong with it. If anything they would have called out the team a long time ago to help the kid . The constant criticism of Cam is so dumb and shallow that it's not funny anymore. The media seem to be on a mission to ruin Cam and the Panther fans always willing to fan the flames.

I wish the Panthers would simply cut Cam but what I see happening is an all out attack on his character by the media with the intent of turning off any other teams from wanting him like they did with VY. So that means if this team drops him, his career is over and the media has succeed in turning Cam into another VY with nothing more than shallow observation, undermining and manipulation. And some wonder why Moon called the media out during the draft.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 04:42 AM

http://msn.foxsports...terbacks-102312

You are right footballisasport Cam has no room for improvement at 23 years old. That must have just been my "shallowness" coming through again. :rolleyes:


You are shallow because taking an article at face value. That is exactly what being shallow means. Maybe it's because I read a lot of these articles why I see BS when I read it.

There is a famous quote by Malcom X that says and I paraphase, the media is very powerful. They can make an innocent man look guilty and a criminal look innocent. Their power comes from their ability to control the minds of their audience.

Think about that. Then go back and read in between the lines of that article. You will see my point.

Thank God for the handful of fans on here who can cut through the BS against this kid. Maybe that's a bandwagon you might want to jump on because it seriously needs fans.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 05:11 AM

You are shallow because taking an article at face value. That is exactly what being shallow means. Maybe it's because I read a lot of these articles why I see BS when I read it.

You just prove my point that some of you fans hate Cam so much that you can't see through the media orchestrated attack on him. You seriously don't see what's going on do you? WOW

Thank God for the handful of fans on here who can cut through the BS against this kid. Maybe that's a bandwagon you might want to jump on.

By the way, I remember the media doing the exact same ish to Eli and now Sanchez. They have a tendency of flexing their ego driven muscles when they believe it's okay.


Where is all this hate I am supposedly showing towards Cam?

Not that you would care, but I've supervised hundreds of people in my lifetime, many under life and death situations. I recognize the emotional roller coaster Cam is on. I don't have to personally know him to empathize with what he is going through.

Cam has made no secret of the fact that he hates losing and there is nothing wrong with that. He was on a bad team last year and a worse one this year. I don't care who you are, that is going to stir up some negative emotions.

It is how someone deals with those emotions that can make all the difference in the world. All I was attempting to say in my previous post was, Cam is young, given time he may handle these types of situations more maturely.

At the risk of belaboring the point, most people do mature as they age, I seriously doubt Cam is an exception to that rule.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 06:12 AM

Cam's press demeanor needs to improve. Completely agree with that. You can't always look defeated after a loss. It sends the wrong message to the team.

Am I upset that he called Chud to the carpet... no. It needed to be done, and only he or Rivera could do it and something would happen. Rivera didn't do it, so Cam took it upon himself. Ideally Cam should have spoken to Rivera and Chud directly instead of airing their dirty laundry, but we aren't privy to what conversations they've had on the subject and could have felt he needed to take the next step.

The comment that the script is the same and something needs to change implying Chudz needs to get is head out of his ass. There doesn't seem to be much difference in any game. The read option format is done. Get back to NFL football. Hand the ball off and use play action.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 06:25 AM

Where is all this hate I am supposedly showing towards Cam?

Not that you would care, but I've supervised hundreds of people in my lifetime, many under life and death situations. I recognize the emotional roller coaster Cam is on. I don't have to personally know him to empathize with what he is going through.

Cam has made no secret of the fact that he hates losing and there is nothing wrong with that. He was on a bad team last year and a worse one this year. I don't care who you are, that is going to stir up some negative emotions.

It is how someone deals with those emotions that can make all the difference in the world. All I was attempting to say in my previous post was, Cam is young, given time he may handle these types of situations more maturely.

At the risk of belaboring the point, most people do mature as they age, I seriously doubt Cam is an exception to that rule.


Think about it. How would you like if you were being scrutinzed to such extremes and everything you do spun into some fictious concerns and push as facts.Every interview Cam every move and words are searched and overanalyzed to prove that he's immature because he doesn't like losing?

My point is, Cam not liking to lose isn't what's wrong with this team. Cam sitting with a towel on his head isn't what's wrong with this team. Some writer sitting there reading all sorts of negative stuff into Cam's action at a press conference isn't the problem with this team. Cam's occasional mistakes on the fields isn't what's wrong with this team. But instead of looking deep into what is really plaguing this team, fixing it, and rebuilding, many of you much rather sit feed the trolls in the media. To act like Cam's attitude is so toxic based on nothing more than the constant scrutiny by the media makes no sense. This team toxins seem to be a whole lot deeper than Cam.

It frustates me to no end because I really feel you folks feed the media's constant attack on Cam and don't take a real at the deep issues of this team and ask serious questions. Look around the league, fans who demand more from their team as a whole, are usually the ones who the media don't mess much with and their teams win.

i remember the endless attacks on Eli by the media. He couldn't do no right. What did the Gaints do, they rallied around him and they fix their problems from within. Fans saw and rallied around him. The media half heartedly felt him alone. It was only last season that the media's attitude towards Eli started to change somewhat.

You're supporting the behavior or arrogant men who whiched they were in Cam's shoes. Realize that and stop feeding them.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 07:00 AM

Who fugging cares if Cam mopes. Let the damn kid mope if he wants. Tom Brady is fugging thirty something and I don't recall him all smiles when his danm team loses. Your damn team is a mess and all you folks are concerned about is the every dumb ish the media sit and make up about your QB.

FYI, your FUGGING TEAM isn't 1-5 because Cam mopes or sit with a fugging towel on his head nor don't smile during his presser. FUGGING BUY A CLUE.

I swear ESPN and others must come to this site and see how you folks behave towards Cam. You seriously make their job easy.


He did more than mope.There is a line between being frustrated over a loss and throwing people under the bus.He needs to stop it.This train wreck is bad enough without players making it worse.