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#31 footballisasport

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 04:10 AM

Everybody in the media and even some of our fans put losses solely on Cam's shoulders....

Then he says, "fug it, I'll talk as if this is my team to run" with some of his comments....

And people get pissed? If he doesn't say anything at all, he's immature. If he speaks his mind and is honest and forthcoming, he's almost always called immature. You want him to kiss ass? Want him to put on a fake smile and not be honest? Is this what we've come to? Pardon the South Park reference, but when did we lower the bar to saying, "no, don't let these overly-criticized athletes be honest when asked a question"? If coaches/ownership don't want players answering certain questions, then they should screen them and if one gets sneaked in, then they should cut the interview there and say next question or just pull the player away. Short of doing that, if the man is asked a question, and he's honest and speaks his mind, and it's not something you like....figure out WHY he is saying it rather than bitch about the fact THAT he said it.


Well said.

With all BS that I read on this site, it's good to come across someone that seem to really look at a situation introspectively. There is way to much shallow and empty viewpoints of Cam on this site. It's like Cam is nothing but a whopping boy for folks who don't want to call out the team but need someone to take their anger out on. I can bet you dollars to donut that if Luck was Cam and the exact same behavior the media would NEVER find anything wrong with it. If anything they would have called out the team a long time ago to help the kid . The constant criticism of Cam is so dumb and shallow that it's not funny anymore. The media seem to be on a mission to ruin Cam and the Panther fans always willing to fan the flames.

I wish the Panthers would simply cut Cam but what I see happening is an all out attack on his character by the media with the intent of turning off any other teams from wanting him like they did with VY. So that means if this team drops him, his career is over and the media has succeed in turning Cam into another VY with nothing more than shallow observation, undermining and manipulation. And some wonder why Moon called the media out during the draft.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 04:42 AM

http://msn.foxsports...terbacks-102312

You are right footballisasport Cam has no room for improvement at 23 years old. That must have just been my "shallowness" coming through again. :rolleyes:


You are shallow because taking an article at face value. That is exactly what being shallow means. Maybe it's because I read a lot of these articles why I see BS when I read it.

There is a famous quote by Malcom X that says and I paraphase, the media is very powerful. They can make an innocent man look guilty and a criminal look innocent. Their power comes from their ability to control the minds of their audience.

Think about that. Then go back and read in between the lines of that article. You will see my point.

Thank God for the handful of fans on here who can cut through the BS against this kid. Maybe that's a bandwagon you might want to jump on because it seriously needs fans.

#33 NanuqoftheNorth

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 05:11 AM

You are shallow because taking an article at face value. That is exactly what being shallow means. Maybe it's because I read a lot of these articles why I see BS when I read it.

You just prove my point that some of you fans hate Cam so much that you can't see through the media orchestrated attack on him. You seriously don't see what's going on do you? WOW

Thank God for the handful of fans on here who can cut through the BS against this kid. Maybe that's a bandwagon you might want to jump on.

By the way, I remember the media doing the exact same ish to Eli and now Sanchez. They have a tendency of flexing their ego driven muscles when they believe it's okay.


Where is all this hate I am supposedly showing towards Cam?

Not that you would care, but I've supervised hundreds of people in my lifetime, many under life and death situations. I recognize the emotional roller coaster Cam is on. I don't have to personally know him to empathize with what he is going through.

Cam has made no secret of the fact that he hates losing and there is nothing wrong with that. He was on a bad team last year and a worse one this year. I don't care who you are, that is going to stir up some negative emotions.

It is how someone deals with those emotions that can make all the difference in the world. All I was attempting to say in my previous post was, Cam is young, given time he may handle these types of situations more maturely.

At the risk of belaboring the point, most people do mature as they age, I seriously doubt Cam is an exception to that rule.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 06:12 AM

Cam's press demeanor needs to improve. Completely agree with that. You can't always look defeated after a loss. It sends the wrong message to the team.

Am I upset that he called Chud to the carpet... no. It needed to be done, and only he or Rivera could do it and something would happen. Rivera didn't do it, so Cam took it upon himself. Ideally Cam should have spoken to Rivera and Chud directly instead of airing their dirty laundry, but we aren't privy to what conversations they've had on the subject and could have felt he needed to take the next step.

The comment that the script is the same and something needs to change implying Chudz needs to get is head out of his ass. There doesn't seem to be much difference in any game. The read option format is done. Get back to NFL football. Hand the ball off and use play action.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 06:25 AM

Where is all this hate I am supposedly showing towards Cam?

Not that you would care, but I've supervised hundreds of people in my lifetime, many under life and death situations. I recognize the emotional roller coaster Cam is on. I don't have to personally know him to empathize with what he is going through.

Cam has made no secret of the fact that he hates losing and there is nothing wrong with that. He was on a bad team last year and a worse one this year. I don't care who you are, that is going to stir up some negative emotions.

It is how someone deals with those emotions that can make all the difference in the world. All I was attempting to say in my previous post was, Cam is young, given time he may handle these types of situations more maturely.

At the risk of belaboring the point, most people do mature as they age, I seriously doubt Cam is an exception to that rule.


Think about it. How would you like if you were being scrutinzed to such extremes and everything you do spun into some fictious concerns and push as facts.Every interview Cam every move and words are searched and overanalyzed to prove that he's immature because he doesn't like losing?

My point is, Cam not liking to lose isn't what's wrong with this team. Cam sitting with a towel on his head isn't what's wrong with this team. Some writer sitting there reading all sorts of negative stuff into Cam's action at a press conference isn't the problem with this team. Cam's occasional mistakes on the fields isn't what's wrong with this team. But instead of looking deep into what is really plaguing this team, fixing it, and rebuilding, many of you much rather sit feed the trolls in the media. To act like Cam's attitude is so toxic based on nothing more than the constant scrutiny by the media makes no sense. This team toxins seem to be a whole lot deeper than Cam.

It frustates me to no end because I really feel you folks feed the media's constant attack on Cam and don't take a real at the deep issues of this team and ask serious questions. Look around the league, fans who demand more from their team as a whole, are usually the ones who the media don't mess much with and their teams win.

i remember the endless attacks on Eli by the media. He couldn't do no right. What did the Gaints do, they rallied around him and they fix their problems from within. Fans saw and rallied around him. The media half heartedly felt him alone. It was only last season that the media's attitude towards Eli started to change somewhat.

You're supporting the behavior or arrogant men who whiched they were in Cam's shoes. Realize that and stop feeding them.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 07:00 AM

Who fugging cares if Cam mopes. Let the damn kid mope if he wants. Tom Brady is fugging thirty something and I don't recall him all smiles when his danm team loses. Your damn team is a mess and all you folks are concerned about is the every dumb ish the media sit and make up about your QB.

FYI, your FUGGING TEAM isn't 1-5 because Cam mopes or sit with a fugging towel on his head nor don't smile during his presser. FUGGING BUY A CLUE.

I swear ESPN and others must come to this site and see how you folks behave towards Cam. You seriously make their job easy.


He did more than mope.There is a line between being frustrated over a loss and throwing people under the bus.He needs to stop it.This train wreck is bad enough without players making it worse.

#37 King Taharqa

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 07:06 AM

Cam hasnt thrown anyone under the bus. But some Panther fans have thrown him. If the bothered by this imagine how theyre gonna feel when he gets in a linemans face or calls out one of his WRs. Cam is about to lead HIS team, and part of that means people might be mad at you for setting them straight. Losing will not be accepted anymore.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 07:13 AM

Of all the dysfunction right now with this team, you are upset because Cam stated the painfully obvious? There have been daily threads here pissing and moaning about the read option and it's ineffectiveness. Im glad he said it.

All and all I think as not only a young player but a person, Cam needs a better support staff.

Rivera isn't getting it done.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 07:43 AM

Think about it. How would you like if you were being scrutinized to such extremes and everything you do spun into some fictitious concerns and push as facts.Every interview Cam every move and words are searched and over analyzed to prove that he's immature because he doesn't like losing?

My point is, Cam not liking to lose isn't what's wrong with this team. Cam sitting with a towel on his head isn't what's wrong with this team. Some writer sitting there reading all sorts of negative stuff into Cam's action at a press conference isn't the problem with this team. Cam's occasional mistakes on the fields isn't what's wrong with this team. But instead of looking deep into what is really plaguing this team, fixing it, and rebuilding, many of you much rather sit feed the trolls in the media. To act like Cam's attitude is so toxic based on nothing more than the constant scrutiny by the media makes no sense. This team toxins seem to be a whole lot deeper than Cam.

It frustrates me to no end because I really feel you folks feed the media's constant attack on Cam and don't take a real at the deep issues of this team and ask serious questions. Look around the league, fans who demand more from their team as a whole, are usually the ones who the media don't mess much with and their teams win.

i remember the endless attacks on Eli by the media. He couldn't do no right. What did the Giants do, they rallied around him and they fix their problems from within. Fans saw and rallied around him. The media half heartedly felt him alone. It was only last season that the media's attitude towards Eli started to change somewhat.

You're supporting the behavior or arrogant men who wish they were in Cam's shoes. Realize that and stop feeding them.


It is clear that you are frustrated about the way some people in the press and on this forum are treating Cam.

The press is a double edge sword, without them football would still be played by amateurs in half empty college stands.

Also, this organization was one big hot steaming mess, long before Cam arrived on the scene. So, I really don't think most people here or in the press blame Cam for the teams overall fortunes.

On the other hand, Cam does not shy away from the public spotlight. Mimicking Superman gains attention, raises expectations and encourages comparisons to superheros. A difficult standard for any mortal to achieve.

In the many decades I have watched the NFL, I honestly can't recall a single QB of any significance that hasn't been criticized in the press and by his team's fans. Often without justification.

Cam is clearly a rare talent and the Panthers are lucky to have him, but he will never be perfect or above criticism, not as long as he remains mortal like you and I.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 08:09 AM

Cam has made no secret of the fact that he hates losing and there is nothing wrong with that. He was on a bad team last year and a worse one this year. I don't care who you are, that is going to stir up some negative emotions.

It is how someone deals with those emotions that can make all the difference in the world. All I was attempting to say in my previous post was, Cam is young, given time he may handle these types of situations more maturely.

At the risk of belaboring the point, most people do mature as they age, I seriously doubt Cam is an exception to that rule.


The team is better than it was last year. Much better talent on both sides of the ball - by draft, FA and players returning from injury. The way said team is being used is worse. Much worse. Historically worse. Cam is leading the team in rushing yards, and almost leading in rushing attempts. If last Sunday was any indication, he'll lead in the that category as well by the end of the Bears game.

I do think he'll get better with press conferences though, but I don't ever see him as a smile and say the right things guy after losses. Just don't think it's in his character.

And to be honest, this team needed someone to shake things up. So what if he comes into the presser and does the Peyton Manning thing. "We missed some opportunities out there today. We'll continue to work hard on correcting our mistakes. We'll go get ready for the Bears next week...."

JR goes on thinking everything is fine, and his QB is just going through a funk. Rivera keeps silent and doesn't do anything. Chud keeps calling read option in the red zone. DWill gets <5 carries against the bears, even though he usually plays well against them. Panthers lose by a TD or less because they couldn't close the deal (really because key drives were stalled due to said read option calls at the most inopportune times possible). And everyone continues to think Cam is going through a sophomore slump even though his numbers are very similar to what they were last year at this point.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 08:13 AM

What amazes me about this entire thing is how few people in the media actually listened to or watched the ENTIRE presser. Instead they followed the quotes of the day and broke it apart. Its ridiculous.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 08:16 AM

I find it funny that this fan base has evolved from "I'm tired of the same old emotionless, it is what it is" to bitching that people on the team actually speak their mind.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 08:20 AM

What amazes me about this entire thing is how few people in the media actually listened to or watched the ENTIRE presser. Instead they followed the quotes of the day and broke it apart. Its ridiculous.


Exactly... I just listened to a bunch of radio jocks in Northern VA/DC just say Cam never took responsibility for making any mistakes during the presser. I thought he started off with saying that very thing.

They even said he's jealous now because RGIII is getting so much attention, and that's why he's acting this way. I mean it's getting straight up ridiculous the way they go on this kid. If I were him, I wouldn't say another word in another press conference this year, except YES and NO.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 08:22 AM

I know it's not a popular opinion, but Cam is has some serious issues with maturity that I don't think time will fix. You can stop with the 23 stuff too---- this guy comes across like a 7 year old. I will say, if things are going well a guy like this can be fine, but when things don't go well--- and especially when they don't go HIS way--- that's when the troubles start. His physical gifts simply can't replace the required maturity and leadership skills needed to be a success in the NFL. Cam is about Cam--- his cringe-worthy touchdown celebrations, his sideline moping and his pressers are clear indicators that this guy is not the future of an NFL franchise. Luck and RGIII---good examples of guys who look like pros and sound like pros of the field-- win or loss.

Ok, let the flaming begin. I'm trying to get to 100 posts today anyway.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 08:29 AM

Of all the dysfunction right now with this team, you are upset because Cam stated the painfully obvious? There have been daily threads here pissing and moaning about the read option and it's ineffectiveness. Im glad he said it.

All and all I think as not only a young player but a person, Cam needs a better support staff.

Rivera isn't getting it done.


I get it Cam needs a better support staff and OC but that does not change my opinion about his demeanor in the interviews.Cam needs focus on being his best and helping the team win.


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