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#61 EasternJ

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 09:11 AM

That was sarcasm, but in the high level of maturity you have reached in life, you don't have time to grasp such frivolity. At what point were you able to say you were mature? Did you have it all figured out by the time you were 23. I was in the military and had a family at that point in my life and I was far from mature, like most 23 year old males.


Why do these things always turn into one poster questioning another? This isn't about me or you--- it is about our opinions about a football team and the players on that team. This isn't a trial or a counseling session for Cam or the team--- just a board where fans can discuss things--- and it's nice because we can discuss almost anything. I think it's ironic that you are questioning my grasp of the frivoulous while also questioning my past maturity on a football message board.

But since you asked, I can tell you that at 23, I had jobS, paid all my own bills and would never have even considered the equivalent of sulking on the sideline with a towel on my head at my job--- not even for $7 an hour.

Relax.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 09:25 AM

Why delay the inevitable then? Cam isn't ready to throw in the towel for the season. He hasn't given up and accepted that we'll be a bottom dweller in the NFL this year. He wants to win - now. He has accepted his mistakes, over and over and over again. But when will the play calling be called into question? Who's gonna change what every player on the offense knows is killing them - Kalil and DWill have made subtle suggestions.

I tell you what... if the play calling changes this week, and this team goes on a 4-5 game winning streak, everyone will be loving Cam again and saying he did what he had to do to get his team back on track. Winning cures all that ails you. And the current scheme won't allow that to happen and the TEAM knows it.


All true, can't argue with any of it.

I think just about everyone has called this year's play calling into question.

I would like to think JR or Hurney would have insisted the team revert back to last years offense by now if it were possible.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 09:26 AM

Why do these things always turn into one poster questioning another? This isn't about me or you--- it is about our opinions about a football team and the players on that team. This isn't a trial or a counseling session for Cam or the team--- just a board where fans can discuss things--- and it's nice because we can discuss almost anything. I think it's ironic that you are questioning my grasp of the frivoulous while also questioning my past maturity on a football message board.

But since you asked, I can tell you that at 23, I had jobS, paid all my own bills and would never have even considered the equivalent of sulking on the sideline with a towel on my head at my job--- not even for $7 an hour.

Relax.

It goes like this because everyone expects a 23 year old to act like a 30 year old.

#64 EasternJ

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 09:35 AM

It goes like this because everyone expects a 23 year old to act like a 30 year old.


Nope. I expect him to act like an adult--- or I suppose I should say, I would hope that the QB of my team would act like an adult. He has been to college, has a high paying full time job that just happens to put him square in the public eye--- fair trade-off for the milliions he makes. Act like an adult like the other guys who are 23 and in the same position--- Luck, RGII, etc.

Ok, I'm jumping off of this thread now......

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 09:39 AM

It's best you jump off this thread.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 09:44 AM

Cam is not a genius. Not particularly close. He doesn't naturally speak like RG3 or Luck or Brady or anyone along those lines. He needs a much stronger leader (HC) who can help rein in some of verbal tendencies to make a problem worse. I think he can improve with the right leader; Rivera clearly ain't it.


...yea, didn't someone teach Peppers how to talk?

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 09:52 AM

...yea, didn't someone teach Peppers how to talk?



Yea but not at Chapel Hill (UNC)

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 10:01 AM

I love how the media chooses to treat his suggestion box comment as a serious statement.....

They talk about Cam's immaturity....treating that comment as serious must mean they have IQs of 3 yr olds


It is the same as the sweetheart comment. People are like you just don't call a woman sweetheart. You do in the South. A 23 year old man raised in Georgia may still think that it is ok. They have combed this over with a "fine tooth" and made it seem like he is T.O.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 02:05 PM

I think it's pretty bad that no one can expect an adult, and leader of the team, to act.like an adult, and said leader..without others making up excuses for Cam, or mentioning other team problems.

No one is saying we don't like Cam.
No one is saying Cam should have arrived by now.

We do expect him to handle certain things better than he is.
It does cause issues in the locker room, whether you care to entertain that thought or.not.

I know this, until Cam shows more confidence, and being even keeled during the game, he'll never grow to be the qb that we invision him to be, and need him to be.

The positive is, he still has plenty of time to get better.
I just hope he doesn't go the Vince Young route.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 05:54 PM

Cam hasnt thrown anyone under the bus. But some Panther fans have thrown him. If the bothered by this imagine how theyre gonna feel when he gets in a linemans face or calls out one of his WRs. Cam is about to lead HIS team, and part of that means people might be mad at you for setting them straight. Losing will not be accepted anymore.


I'm all for Cam calling people out, but he has to tighten his poo up like a drum before he lets loose on someone else. He doesn't have enough of a track record of consistent, prolonged success to be calling anyone out without being most critical of himself first. Yes, the play calling has been sub par, but he is the one throwing picks, forcing balls into coverage, missing open receivers when he does and does not throw to them, and using shotty mechanics at times. He needs to refine his game, and, more importantly, his decision making. A lot of times, you have to take what defenses give you. When you are a QB in the NFL, patience really is a virtue.

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 04:32 AM

He did more than mope.There is a line between being frustrated over a loss and throwing people under the bus.He needs to stop it.This train wreck is bad enough without players making it worse.


So now Cam has thrown someone under the bus...Wow Denial do run deep with you folks.

Here is some of you in a nutshell: I know my team sucks, but it's all Cam's fault.

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 05:00 AM

I'm all for Cam calling people out, but he has to tighten his poo up like a drum before he lets loose on someone else. He doesn't have enough of a track record of consistent, prolonged success to be calling anyone out without being most critical of himself first. Yes, the play calling has been sub par, but he is the one throwing picks, forcing balls into coverage, missing open receivers when he does and does not throw to them, and using shotty mechanics at times. He needs to refine his game, and, more importantly, his decision making. A lot of times, you have to take what defenses give you. When you are a QB in the NFL, patience really is a virtue.


Your post sounds like you're making really bad excuses for the fact that you know Cam was right.

I said it before, the reflection of the fans of some teams tend to show the maturity of the team itself. Some of you expect Cam to be a leader but don't want him to say anything because he's not perfect or fully seasoned..SERIOUSLY?

Let me guess, you've been listening to the talking heads in the media.

I remember one day when the Jags were playing a televised game last season, Blaine Gabbert got into one of his receivers face. Both the media and fans applauded him and said that's the makings of a leader. I don't recall anyone accusing him of throwing anyone under the bus. Instead they said he was right because he needs his team to step up. This is the same guy who ducked from invisible defenders and missed open receivers. But I guess since the media is making excuses for his game and blaming the team for his weaknesses, it's okay.

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 05:16 AM

I think it's pretty bad that no one can expect an adult, and leader of the team, to act.like an adult, and said leader..without others making up excuses for Cam, or mentioning other team problems.

No one is saying we don't like Cam.
No one is saying Cam should have arrived by now.

We do expect him to handle certain things better than he is.
It does cause issues in the locker room, whether you care to entertain that thought or.not.

I know this, until Cam shows more confidence, and being even keeled during the game, he'll never grow to be the qb that we invision him to be, and need him to be.

The positive is, he still has plenty of time to get better.
I just hope he doesn't go the Vince Young route.


IT CLEAR MANY OF YOU HAVE ALREADY PUT HIM THERE, THANKS TO THE MEDIA.

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 05:46 AM

It is the same as the sweetheart comment. People are like you just don't call a woman sweetheart. You do in the South. A 23 year old man raised in Georgia may still think that it is ok. They have combed this over with a "fine tooth" and made it seem like he is T.O.


Because they have singled out Cam as the next player with the "bad attitude" that they need to keep and EYE on. It's becoming quite a pattern of lately. Even worst, are the folks on here who are so quick to condone the behavior of those in the media, by handing Cam over to be slaughtered by the media so they won't have to deal with the real issues of this team.

I will not kid myself. The nonstop attack and scrutinyof Cam seems to be masking some serious racism. Especially when placed in a bigger picture. What did the kid say that was so offensive? What has Cam done that makes him immature? Why he is asked to be a leader and not allowed lead? Why isn't any of you folks demanding more from the VETS and Captains on your team but expect a whole lot from Cam?

All this cry about Cam being so "immature" is nothing more than a cover up for we see this kid as nothing more than a ***** who is suppose to simply show up; shut up; play mistake free football, and lead our pathetic team to wins every week so we can be happy. You label his every move and being immature, then tell him he needs to "fix" it. REALLY?

There I said it. This ish with you guys and Cam is getting way out of control. I can bet you the farm that if it was Luck who made the comment, both the media and most of you would have applauded it..And I can bet you wouldn't be trying to turn everything he does into him being immature.

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 06:10 AM

It is clear that you are frustrated about the way some people in the press and on this forum are treating Cam.

The press is a double edge sword, without them football would still be played by amateurs in half empty college stands.

Also, this organization was one big hot steaming mess, long before Cam arrived on the scene. So, I really don't think most people here or in the press blame Cam for the teams overall fortunes.

On the other hand, Cam does not shy away from the public spotlight. Mimicking Superman gains attention, raises expectations and encourages comparisons to superheros. A difficult standard for any mortal to achieve.

In the many decades I have watched the NFL, I honestly can't recall a single QB of any significance that hasn't been criticized in the press and by his team's fans. Often without justification.

Cam is clearly a rare talent and the Panthers are lucky to have him, but he will never be perfect or above criticism, not as long as he remains mortal like you and I.


You treat Cam as if he's wrong for being himself and having fun. You want to correct every little silly thing that you or the media find wrong with him, while ignoring the real concerns of this team. Why such a militant attitude towards him?

I know why the media treats him the way they do but what gives with you fans?


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