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#76 Navy_football

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 11:23 PM

It takes a Big man to admit that he needs help. Usually doesn't come until you're cornered and/or hit rock bottom.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 11:23 PM

I see what you are saying and I agree with you. I also think that he should have already identified the issue with the organization and already had someone in mind to come in and fix it. I'm not in disagreement about what he's doing, I applaud it. I just think that it looks bad to not already have had a course of action prior to firing your GM early in the season. I'm not the only one that thinks this either.


If it was really that easy, do you think all the companies that have failed over the years would have been able to pinpoint their problems? Why do you think so many businesses that are struggling look for help from the outside to try to right their ship.? If JR knew this answer, he would have fixed the problem after 2010.

How do we not know that the Panthers didn't have a course of action to hire a consultant before they hired Hurney? We can't just assume these things because none of us really know what goes on behind the walls over there.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 11:44 PM

If it was really that easy, do you think all the companies that have failed over the years would have been able to pinpoint their problems? Why do you think so many businesses that are struggling look for help from the outside to try to right their ship.? If JR knew this answer, he would have fixed the problem after 2010.

How do we not know that the Panthers didn't have a course of action to hire a consultant before they hired Hurney? We can't just assume these things because none of us really know what goes on behind the walls over there.


This is obviously a thread I should have avoided like the plague... I've never ad my words twisted so badly in my life. For the last time I don't disagree with what JR is doing.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 11:48 PM

if you avoided the forums like the plague the rest of us would be much better off

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 12:38 AM

Carl Peterson would likely be my first choice, followed by Ernie Accorsi and Ron Wolf.

And to be honest, I'd be more likely to trust Andrew Brandt than papa Gil. Why? The younger Brandt was employed by an NFL front office (Packers) during the salary cap era. Smart as Gil may be, he never worked with a cap, and I'd be less trusting of his evaluation of someone else's cap management philosophy for that reason.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 12:47 AM

i was hoping that they would do somehting like this because i sure don't trust anyone in the organization right now to make the decision, including richardson.

i just have this feeling that the the consultant might end up taking over the GM job. i hope that doesn't happen.

i have one worry, tho...who's going to decide on the consultant?


Morrison, perhaps?


I said knows how to build a "winning" organization. :)

Actually I was thinking of Joe Gibbs, but he has a pretty full plate right now.


Story was that Gibbs was Richardson's first choice to run the Panthers when they started, but Gibbs turned it down.

I'd probably trust Gibbs more for a coaching search than a GM search. I guess we could het Bobby Beathard, but then that last guy we hired was a protege of his :unsure:

Wonder if they might give NFP's Mike Lombardi a call.


Wait so are we planning on hiring somebody this season? Or next?


Next.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 05:10 AM

Hard to see this as anything but a positive. JR recognizing that he needs help selecting a GM only shows maturity on his part, not weakness.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 09:00 AM

Seein this just made me realize how the guy we just fired after 10 plus years didnt know that much about football. LOL

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 09:12 AM

Florio rightly pointed out that whomever comes in as the consultant will likely already have a list of contacts/cronies/whatever in mind for the job. When you think about it that way, getting the consultant right is even more important than initially considered.

If he wasn't otherwise busy, wouldn't surprise me for Dan Rooney to get a call on this. Not sure he'd be the best idea though (way up in age and has been away from day-to-day football for a while).

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 09:22 AM

If he wasn't otherwise busy, wouldn't surprise me for Dan Rooney to get a call on this. Not sure he'd be the best idea though (way up in age and has been away from day-to-day football for a while).


I'm sure Jerry is already working the phones with other owners he respects. Probably not restricted to Rooney.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 09:26 AM

I'm sure Jerry is already working the phones with other owners he respects. Probably not restricted to Rooney.


An owner wouldn't technically be the right guy to take the consultant job but they could definitely recommend someone who'd make a good consultant (guessing that may be what you meant but wasn't sure).

If I recall correctly, Richardson is on good terms with the Mara family as well.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 09:34 AM

An owner wouldn't technically be the right guy to take the consultant job but they could definitely recommend someone who'd make a good consultant (guessing that may be what you meant but wasn't sure).

If I recall correctly, Richardson is on good terms with the Mara family as well.


Yes, that's what I meant, and Mara was also the guy I thought about. JR is reportedly close to the Rooney's, Mara, and god help us, Jerry Jones. Hopefully he calls the first two and skips Jerry.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 09:38 AM

Yes, that's what I meant, and Mara was also the guy I thought about. JR is reportedly close to the Rooney's, Mara, and god help us, Jerry Jones. Hopefully he calls the first two and skips Jerry.


The consultant thing is something that would be nearly anathema to Jones. Definitely wouldn't call him for advice about it.

Given how he usually works, he'd likely nominate himself or one of his kids.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 10:35 AM

Wow. I don't remember anything ever happening like this within the Panthers organization, It looks like JR is finally admitting that he doesn't know how to build a winning team, and letting guys with better resumes take over that role.

I was really worried that JR might promote some random "yes man" within the organization and continue the same philosophy. It really looks like he's completely stepped back from football operations and is trying to find the best professional to take over in that role. This is bigger news than Hurney getting fired. How you go about finding a replacement is more important than just firing the last guy. Wow, I am really stoked about this.


I think at this point that with his latest health scare and getting up there in age, he is going to try to at least get this thing turned around before its too late. Also, if you noticed during the lockout, Jerry is up there in NFL circles. Only a few owners were at the table and he was leading them. I think he wants his organization to reflect that and he needed help to acheive that change.


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