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Searched through the forum and couldn't find this. Just curious if anyone has a legit theory or if it has been explained somewhere by Rivera or Chud and I missed it!

It is as clear as day that the biggest difference from last year to this is that the offense has changed in a big way to the read option and this has resulted in monumental failure. There must be a reason we 1) dediced to go to this in the first place and 2) we haven't gone back to our offense of a year ago.

I remember reading how Chud was the best OC in the league and that he would be snatched up as a HC in no time... now he is (according to the huddle) the worst OC in the league and should hit the bricks. Something has to give.

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Chud got lazy....just putting the ball in Cam's hands. His emphasis is on "gadget" and crazy plays....makes him stand out more. Build off the hype generated last year that the mad scientist is a great play caller.

What got lost in his big chunk offense that is pretty much the Cam show....is what is needed to actually win games and to help a young QB grow.

Said all offseason Chud was overrated and was getting by off what Cam was doing.....I still think that is true. We are seeing why he was fired in Cleveland. Failure to adjust and realize he is part of the problem
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Not sure how this is gonna go on the huddle but I think it's definetely a legit question and one that I have no answer for. It doesn't make sense how you turn a rookie QB loose to sling the ball for over 4,000 yards in his rookie year but decide to confine him to read option plays in his second year... I don't think that was Hurney's doing, which means that we'll continue to get more of the same, unless they're scared now and decide to stop fixing things that weren't broke.

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That makes sense... But has this really not been addressed by the coaching staff in any interviews? This is a huge philosophical difference in the way you run an offense and to have a top 10 offense last year it makes it almost implausable at best and incompetent at worst!

I expect there to be somewhere Rivera saying "yeah, we've got a new philosophy for the offense this year that will enhance Cams skills and help detract from his mistakes"

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It's baffling to me they haven't given up on it... The wildcat worked for a while for teams like Miami, and us for that matter, but once teams had an opportunity to study how to stop it the success rate went down the tubes. The read option is no different. Gimmick play that deserves to be run no more than 2 to 3 times a game not the basis of the Panther offense.
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Yeah well when you look back now they talked all off-season about Chud's "playbook". They kept going on about how huge it was and how he specifically tailored it to Newton's strengths and tried to bring in what made him successful at Auburn and a whole bunch of other mumbo jumbo. Who would've thought it would have failed so badly?

Lol, so apparently Chud designed nothing but option plays all off-season because he got a hard-on on how well they worked last season and thought it'd be a smart fuging idea to base the whole offense around it... I seriously don't think he had the foresight to develop a plan B in case this experimental turd didn't work out.

... That's my theory anyways.

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[quote name='CRA' timestamp='1351045700' post='1960488']
Chud got lazy....just putting the ball in Cam's hands. His emphasis is on "gadget" and crazy plays....makes him stand out more. Build off the hype generated last year that the mad scientist is a great play caller.

What got lost in his big chunk offense that is pretty much the Cam show....is what is needed to actually win games and to help a young QB grow.

Said all offseason Chud was overrated and was getting by off what Cam was doing.....I still think that is true. We are seeing why he was fired in Cleveland. Failure to adjust and realize he is part of the problem
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Chud seems to be a one year guy. Then a long term bad solution.

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My opinion? Chud took too much away from the Tampa games last year. Both were late in the year when we had incorporated more read option plays, and both were blowouts.

Apparently he didn't take into consideration that Tampa had quit on their coach. As to why he hasn't changed yet, for that I have no answer.

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rah rah rah go panthers

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Lots of OCs that have huge egos like to tinker with their working engine. Most of the time it ends up badly.

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Maybe I've missed this but has anyone directly questioned the staff in interviews about this? They're clearly avoiding wanting to change it. I just can't believe its based on pure stubbornness and laziness on Chud's part. There has to be something more.

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Aside from a few comments from Ron Jaworski and a couple others on NFL network I haven't seen anyone in the media ask "why the change or why stay with it".

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We will likely never know because these fuging moron reporters won't ask good questions. Instead, they'll blame everything on the players. "Why isn't X player doing well? Did X player's mistake cost you? Do you need to replace X player?" Why not ask the REAL question of, "why are the play calls so vastly different from last year to now? Why does it seem we're seeing the exact same play-calling with the exact same results? Why is there no adjusting to the types of plays called or the game-plan as a whole?"


No, no reporter is going to do that, because it's not as compelling as "Cam is in a sophomore slump" and other fuging idiotic headlines.
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[quote name='kahakai' timestamp='1351052255' post='1960666']
Maybe I've missed this but has anyone directly questioned the staff in interviews about this? They're clearly avoiding wanting to change it. I just can't believe its based on pure stubbornness and laziness on Chud's part. There has to be something more.
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Yeah, I don't understand why that question hasn't come up. Most of the local reporters seem afraid to ask any tough questions.

As to the stubbornness, think back to Mike Martz, another "genius". He almost got Kurt Warner and Marc Bulger killed in St. Louis by stubbornly sticking with a minimum protection scheme. Then he went to Chicago and did the same thing with Cutler. Some guys just think they are smarter than everyone else and refuse to consider otherwise.

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[quote name='njcarolina' timestamp='1351053375' post='1960689']
Aside from a few comments from Ron Jaworski and a couple others on NFL network I haven't seen anyone in the media ask "why the change or why stay with it".
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Why has no reporter in the Charlotte media pressed Rivera for an answers to these basic questions?

1) Why was the one aspect of the Panthers (offense) that was successful last year so radically changed? (If it ain't broke, don't fix it.)

2) Why have you, Coach Rivera, yet to correct this painfully obvious mistake?

The sports media outlets in Charlotte seem to be among the most passive in the nation. Their lack of inquisitiveness when it comes to this major issue explains why we still don't know six games into the season why this change was made or why it has yet to be corrected.

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This O has a chance to be special. Its got a ton of talent on it. Go back to square one and do what we did last season and take the pressure off of Cam.

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I do hope we get an answer to this question. We deserve it.

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This is a very good question, and unfortunately we will probably never know the reason. We can only guess, and more than likely be wrong. I wonder if we no longer have the players to run the same offense as 2011?

The only major personnel changes from 2011 to 2012: Shockey & Wharton. It's hard to believe those 2 players would make this much differerence. But, they were running a lot of 2 TE sets in 2011....this year that does not seem to be happening. No other TE has stepped up to take Shockey's production.

Also, Gross & Smith are not getting any younger, and Williams has not been effective at all this year. Smith has definitely lost a step, and should be a slot or #2 WR. However, he is still clearly the best WR on the team which is a concern. Also, the O-line is worse this year vs. 2011 (even before Kalil went on IR) and perhaps that has something to do with an experience LG Wharton vs. a rookie. When they have run the ball, it has not been effective. Other than not being able to run, Cam has very little time in the pocket this year (and he did have time last year).

My best theory is the new offense is to cover the weaknesses and lack of personnel needed to run the offense they want to run.

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[quote name='kahakai' timestamp='1351052255' post='1960666']
Maybe I've missed this but has anyone directly questioned the staff in interviews about this? They're clearly avoiding wanting to change it. I just can't believe its based on pure stubbornness and laziness on Chud's part. There has to be something more.
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Its been deflected by Rivera stating he did not have the right personal to run his offense.My guess is after all the fallout Chud will change the game plan or be gone. I think losing Shockey was much bigger than anyone thought,

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[quote name='jarhead' timestamp='1351087408' post='1961017']

Its been deflected by Rivera stating he did not have the right personal to run his offense.My guess is after all the fallout Chud will change the game plan or be gone. I think losing Shockey was much bigger than anyone thought,
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I suspect there were no follow up questions from the media like:

What personnel specifically are you missing that you can't run last year's offense?

Why are those personnel no longer here?

Why were these positions not filled with similarly talented individuals in the draft or free agency?

Whose decision was it to go forward without the personnel needed to run last years successful offense?

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Personally I wish they would just can the option. Only let Cam run when it is a designed run for him or do playaction roll outs where if no one is open or about to be open, Cam runs.

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[quote name='NanuqoftheNorth' timestamp='1351058220' post='1960741']
Why has no reporter in the Charlotte media pressed Rivera for an answers to these basic questions?

1) Why was the one aspect of the Panthers (offense) that was successful last year so radically changed? (If it ain't broke, don't fix it.)

2) Why have you, Coach Rivera, yet to correct this painfully obvious mistake?

The sports media outlets in Charlotte seem to be among the most passive in the nation. Their lack of inquisitiveness when it comes to this major issue explains why we still don't know six games into the season why this change was made or why it has yet to be corrected.
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And I believe the national media looks at what the local media has questioned to some degree. If the local media asked Cam or Rivera about the offense, they would likely get an interesting soundbite that the national media could play back. So I definitely agree the local media aren't doing their job, and entertaining the crusade against Cam across the nation.

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The only logical explanation to me is that they don't think Cam can be a drop back passer. I don't believe that to be true myself, but I don't get to see what goes on in practice to evaluate that. Otherwise, they are taking what was successful last year from a small sample and assuming it can be used abundantly.

Nothing else could possibly make any sense, because these results can't support that this is an NFL system.

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shockey

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[quote name='Feldman9000' timestamp='1351100285' post='1961438']
shockey
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Okay then, isn't this guy on waivers? Why are we not signing him as i type? If Shockey was so pivotal then why are we letting him sit on his couch instead of signing him to, what i believe would not be a big contract? This coaching staff has lost their minds with the option and unfortunately it is the main reason as to why we are 1-5 instead of 4-2!

If Rivera wants to save his job he should sign Jeremy and get rid of the read option and run his horses and get back to the offense we had last year! Panthers staff, no need to pay me for fixing your offense... just get some wins!
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