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Posted 24 October 2012 - 07:33 AM

Who ever we hire I want them to be ruthless pricks with no loyalty to individual players - I want them only to be looking at how a move will help this team win football games. That has always been a major fault of this outfit - putting individuals over the team.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 07:46 AM

Who ever we hire I want them to be ruthless pricks with no loyalty to individual players - I want them only to be looking at how a move will help this team win football games. That has always been a major fault of this outfit - putting individuals over the team.


I agree.

I would also like two. Checks and balances need to be in place.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 09:16 AM

Interesting bit. I though Hurney had an assistant.


Two. And I thought the same thing... that Hurney had an assistant of some sort.


No assistant GM that I know of, but Rob Rogers was the "cap guy".

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 09:18 AM

I'd like to see two purely because I think our net value will be higher if we go that route. A very good talent guy plus a very good finance / cap / contract guy is going to leave us better in both areas, more than likely, than one guy who does both.

The fields are so disparate that we'd almost definitely have to lower the bar to get two in one.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 09:20 AM

I would like the GM to be heavy in finance and cap management with the director being heavy in talent evaluation.

Winning teams are built on spreadsheets in this league.


See, I'm just the opposite. I'd rather have the football guy in the GM spot, then give him an experienced finance guy to help with the economics.

Guess when you think about it, you're really talking about three positions here: A chief evaluator, a cap manager, and a GM over the two. It's still only two hires though because we technically already have a cap guy in Rob Rogers, unless you want to replace him with someone who has more experience (and I could get behind that).

When it comes to the ultimate authority though, to me that has to be the football guy. I understand what you mean about GMs getting tied to their players (Hurney was bad about that) but there are guys out there who are capable of taking the "not personal, it's business" approach.

They just don't work here.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 09:22 AM

See, I'm just the opposite. I'd rather have the football guy in the GM spot, then give him an experienced finance guy to help with the economics.



We have had that since 2003. Lets try something new. :)

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 09:35 AM

We have had that since 2003. Lets try something new. :)


Hurney was the cap guy before he was the GM. Rob Rogers has that role now, but I doubt he gets a look for the GM spot (not with a consultant running the show).

As far as trying to pin down whether Hurney was a football guy or a finance guy, given that his background was as a sportswriter and he worked his way up through the PR department before moving into the other roles, I guess the correct answer is "neither" :(

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 09:37 AM

Hurney was the cap guy before he was the GM.



A cap guy with zero experience or education in high level finance and contract negotiation?

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 09:49 AM

A cap guy with zero experience or education in high level finance and contract negotiation?


Pretty much. And likewise, can't find info to verify it, but I've been told that Mark Koncz (head of pro scouting) was hired out of the ticket sales department.

If the consultant has the latitude to examine the entire football operation (which I believe he will) then one of the things he might want to nix is the hiring of guys for jobs in which they have no background.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 09:51 AM

A cap guy with zero experience or education in high level finance and contract negotiation?


From the Panthers official web site:

Hurney joined the Panthers in 1998 from the San Diego Chargers and managed the salary cap under head coaches Dom Capers and George Seifert. As general manager, Hurney oversees the salary cap while coordinating the different areas of football operations with head coach Ron Rivera and the team's college and pro scouting departments.
Hurney first caught the eye of former Washington Redskins Owner Jack Kent Cooke as a reporter covering the team's championship runs in the 1980s. Developing an association with Cooke, head coach Joe Gibbs and general manager Bobby Beathard, Hurney joined the Redskins public relations department in 1988. In 1990, Hurney moved with Beathard to San Diego, serving as the general manager's assistant with responsibilities that included organizing the scouting department and player contracts and overseeing the day-to-day football administration.
With the advent of the salary cap in 1993, Hurney emerged as the club's specialist in compliance management to the agreement, earning distinction as both an administrator and negotiator and playing an integral role in San Diego's AFC Championship in 1994.


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