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What takes more faith: Theism or Atheism?


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#16 Zod

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 08:44 PM

because it cannot be empirically proved there ISN'T


Can you prove to me there is no easter bunny or santa claus? how about proving to me that the hindu gods don't exist?

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 08:44 PM

Even ya boy Richie Dawkins said he's not a 7 on the belief scale, for he cannot absolutely be certain there is no God/god/intelligent being/creation force thingy.

On a scale of 1 to 7, where 1 is certitude that God exists and 7 is certitude that God does not exist, Dawkins rates himself a 6: "I cannot know for certain but I think God is very improbable, and I live my life on the assumption that he is not there."



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Posted 22 May 2009 - 08:45 PM

I agree with him, pretty smart guy huh?

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 08:50 PM

Can you prove to me there is no easter bunny or santa claus? how about proving to me that the hindu gods don't exist?


i'm aware of the laws of the burden of proof, but if evidence were hoisted to the contrary of what you already believe, would you be willing to review it objectively, and abandon the personal philosophical desires that would hold you back from an unbiased review of said evidence?

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 08:50 PM

I agree with him, pretty smart guy huh?


Well then can we agree that he has some level of "faith" to "believe" without "empirical evidence" that there is no type of creation being/force?

He does state the it is not absolute, so he must think that what he believes is the correct assumption.

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 08:51 PM

i'm aware of the laws of the burden of proof, but if evidence were hoisted to the contrary of what you already believe, would you be willing to review it objectively, and abandon the personal philosophical desires that would hold you back from an unbiased review of said evidence?



I certainly keep an open mind to any evidence produced in terms of paranormal or supernatural. Just so happens that up to this point in human history, it has all been bunk.

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 08:55 PM

I certainly keep an open mind to any evidence produced in terms of paranormal or supernatural. Just so happens that up to this point in human history, it has all been bunk.


may i ask what you've heard that you consider bunk? not each separate arguement, of course, but perhaps classifications... scientific arguments? arguments made directly from biblical texts? arguments made from philosophy and logic?

(i don't propose to type up an entire thesis on the existence of a deity here, but i've found a few interesting bits that might pique your interest... it'd be good to get a general idea of what you've already heard before typing prolifically and redundantly.)

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 08:58 PM

may i ask what you've heard that you consider bunk? not each separate arguement, of course, but perhaps classifications... scientific arguments? arguments made directly from biblical texts? arguments made from philosophy and logic?

(i don't propose to type up an entire thesis on the existence of a deity here, but i've found a few interesting bits that might pique your interest... it'd be good to get a general idea of what you've already heard before typing prolifically and redundantly.)


The first would be the only thing I would be interested in. The other two are worthless in somehow proving the existence of a god.

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 09:06 PM

The first would be the only thing I would be interested in. The other two are worthless in somehow proving the existence of a god.


i partially agree with you... nothing pisses me off like some nimrod trying to prove the existence of god with biblical evidence. it makes theists look like a bunch of idiots.

logical evidence? now here i'm not so sure we see eye to eye. there's quite a number of philosophical arguments for the existence of a god or gods based on logic that serves as the very foundation of the way we think. (the logical processes themselves, not the conclusions drawn from them.)

do you categorically reject all logical deductions of god hypotheses, or are there specific ones you ignore? (i admit some of them can be pretty obscure)

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 10:02 PM

I'd like to think that if there was a god, bad things wouldn't happen to children. God is obviously not as keen on protecting the children as I think he/she/tranny should be.

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Posted 23 May 2009 - 12:29 AM

faith is a big part of my atheism. faith in my ability to reason and to think rationally and logically.

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Posted 23 May 2009 - 06:09 PM

aside from the examples of the mindsets people who probably don't even think about the issue in the first places, how would you answer? toss aside other people's opinions - examine the question by itself.

god versus not god.

given the ramifications of the answer, and the evidence lifted up for/against each, which would you say is more difficult to accept as an existential conclusion?

Well when you put it that way, being an atheist is likely more "difficult" by what you seem to be asking here. Reason being that when one believes in a god or gods, one has ready made explanations/means of accepting why things occur (god's will, etc). Atheists do not.

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Posted 23 May 2009 - 06:17 PM

I prefer agnosticism- I have faith in that I have no idea about anything

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Posted 23 May 2009 - 06:53 PM

I have a friend who is in his 60's, he grew up in Iran and back in the 70's his father had his family moved to the US because of the political unrest in the nation. His father was a high profile political figure and was assassinated soon after.

As a young american iranian he ended up taking a job as a night clerk at the local gas station. One night a man came in and robbed the place while shooting Mo in the face 5 times with a .25

He would be taken to the hospital where he passed on and then toe tagged.

Mo's brother who lived in N.C. had to fly out to Texas to identify the body(his mother had passed on), he would arrive 18hrs later.

Now Mo who was a devout muslim told me this;

"I could see myself being entered into the ambulance, and just followed it. I arrived at the hospital and watched my body get put onto the operating table, i could see the doctors and everyone. I heard my heartbeat go flat and watched them give up on my lifeless body.

Soon then I heard someone say "come with me" and I look up and there was a great white light. I go into the light and the next thing I know is I am looking at a man standing infront of a doorway.

He looks at me and says; if you tell me who I am you can enter. Mo says; thats easy, your the prophet muhammed, the man looks back and replies NO.

He once again tells me to say who he is and he will let me enter, Mo then says you are
father Abraham.

Mo said the man then LAUGHED and said; "do i look that old", then the man said; you can not enter, you go back, and find out who I am, then you may enter...

Mo wakes up, his brother standing over him, he is laying in a body bag in the morgue.

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They rushed Mo back to the operation table and was able to stable his body.

The news heard of it, the vatican sent priest to speak with him, and he was in the papers.

Of course he was just a young devout muslim, so the "church" didnt investigate it much further.

He later on met a very quiet woman named Sharron who was a devout Christian. She would later introduce Mo to the bible and he would go on to find out for himself who the man was at the door.

JESUS..

I met Mo when he was a deacon at my church that i went to as a teenager. He is now a pastor of his own church....

He always said that he couldnt wait to get back to that door and tell the man who he is.

Thats just ONE show of Gods being, there are thousands/millions of other experiances like that one.

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Posted 23 May 2009 - 06:55 PM

lol

thank god ive got made up chain emails for encouragement!


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