Jump to content





Photo
- - - - -

What takes more faith: Theism or Atheism?


This topic has been archived. This means that you cannot reply to this topic.
85 replies to this topic

#25 Porn Shop Clerk

Porn Shop Clerk

    Honky

  • Joined: 22-January 09
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • posts: 17,247
  • Reputation: 4,032
HUDDLER

Posted 22 May 2009 - 10:02 PM

I'd like to think that if there was a god, bad things wouldn't happen to children. God is obviously not as keen on protecting the children as I think he/she/tranny should be.

#26 rodeo

rodeo

    Keelah se'lai

  • Joined: 24-November 08
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • posts: 17,164
  • Reputation: 5,258
HUDDLER

Posted 23 May 2009 - 12:29 AM

faith is a big part of my atheism. faith in my ability to reason and to think rationally and logically.

#27 Fireball77

Fireball77

    Senior Member

  • Joined: 26-November 08
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • posts: 3,398
  • Reputation: 0
HUDDLER

Posted 23 May 2009 - 06:09 PM

aside from the examples of the mindsets people who probably don't even think about the issue in the first places, how would you answer? toss aside other people's opinions - examine the question by itself.

god versus not god.

given the ramifications of the answer, and the evidence lifted up for/against each, which would you say is more difficult to accept as an existential conclusion?

Well when you put it that way, being an atheist is likely more "difficult" by what you seem to be asking here. Reason being that when one believes in a god or gods, one has ready made explanations/means of accepting why things occur (god's will, etc). Atheists do not.

#28 dimbee

dimbee

    Rabble Rouser

  • Joined: 25-November 08
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • posts: 7,915
  • Reputation: 76
HUDDLER

Posted 23 May 2009 - 06:17 PM

I prefer agnosticism- I have faith in that I have no idea about anything

#29 AKPantherFan

AKPantherFan

    Cam Can....Can you???

  • Joined: 24-November 08
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • posts: 5,296
  • Reputation: 477
HUDDLER

Posted 23 May 2009 - 06:53 PM

I have a friend who is in his 60's, he grew up in Iran and back in the 70's his father had his family moved to the US because of the political unrest in the nation. His father was a high profile political figure and was assassinated soon after.

As a young american iranian he ended up taking a job as a night clerk at the local gas station. One night a man came in and robbed the place while shooting Mo in the face 5 times with a .25

He would be taken to the hospital where he passed on and then toe tagged.

Mo's brother who lived in N.C. had to fly out to Texas to identify the body(his mother had passed on), he would arrive 18hrs later.

Now Mo who was a devout muslim told me this;

"I could see myself being entered into the ambulance, and just followed it. I arrived at the hospital and watched my body get put onto the operating table, i could see the doctors and everyone. I heard my heartbeat go flat and watched them give up on my lifeless body.

Soon then I heard someone say "come with me" and I look up and there was a great white light. I go into the light and the next thing I know is I am looking at a man standing infront of a doorway.

He looks at me and says; if you tell me who I am you can enter. Mo says; thats easy, your the prophet muhammed, the man looks back and replies NO.

He once again tells me to say who he is and he will let me enter, Mo then says you are
father Abraham.

Mo said the man then LAUGHED and said; "do i look that old", then the man said; you can not enter, you go back, and find out who I am, then you may enter...

Mo wakes up, his brother standing over him, he is laying in a body bag in the morgue.

_____________________________________________________________________

They rushed Mo back to the operation table and was able to stable his body.

The news heard of it, the vatican sent priest to speak with him, and he was in the papers.

Of course he was just a young devout muslim, so the "church" didnt investigate it much further.

He later on met a very quiet woman named Sharron who was a devout Christian. She would later introduce Mo to the bible and he would go on to find out for himself who the man was at the door.

JESUS..

I met Mo when he was a deacon at my church that i went to as a teenager. He is now a pastor of his own church....

He always said that he couldnt wait to get back to that door and tell the man who he is.

Thats just ONE show of Gods being, there are thousands/millions of other experiances like that one.

#30 Fiz

Fiz

    SENIOR HUDDLER

  • Joined: 24-November 08
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • posts: 11,063
  • Reputation: 878
HUDDLER

Posted 23 May 2009 - 06:55 PM

lol

thank god ive got made up chain emails for encouragement!

#31 AKPantherFan

AKPantherFan

    Cam Can....Can you???

  • Joined: 24-November 08
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • posts: 5,296
  • Reputation: 477
HUDDLER

Posted 23 May 2009 - 07:03 PM

lol

thank god ive got made up chain emails for encouragement!



Vahid "MO" Nasseri

he lives in Clemmons NC- Look him up and give him a call.

He loves telling the story, I am sure he would welcome your call.

#32 rodeo

rodeo

    Keelah se'lai

  • Joined: 24-November 08
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • posts: 17,164
  • Reputation: 5,258
HUDDLER

Posted 23 May 2009 - 07:11 PM

homeless guy outside arby's loves telling stories, too.

#33 Htar

Htar

    Senior Member

  • Joined: 01-December 08
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • posts: 1,599
  • Reputation: 0
HUDDLER

Posted 23 May 2009 - 07:13 PM

Well, it all really boils down to whether or not Jesus Christ was a liar, doesn't it. The challenge goes out to prove he was. His miracles were well known and not disputed by the religious establishment - they feared him for it. So, if he was who he said he was, then God is quite real.

Again, everything, in its complexity, is unfriggin believable. And I don't think all that exists around us and in the universe is some random, cosmic accident. In the end, as I can't prove God exists, noone can prove he doesn't.

#34 dimbee

dimbee

    Rabble Rouser

  • Joined: 25-November 08
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • posts: 7,915
  • Reputation: 76
HUDDLER

Posted 23 May 2009 - 07:20 PM

Well, it all really boils down to whether or not Jesus Christ was a liar, doesn't it.


I don't agree. I would say it boils down to what was actually published in what is today's Bible and how accurate it is.

The answer to which I have no idea

#35 Cat

Cat

    Terminally bored

  • Joined: 20-May 09
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • posts: 9,051
  • Reputation: 1,484
HUDDLER

Posted 23 May 2009 - 07:48 PM

you're right dimbee.

According to biblical scholars none of the books of the Bible are written by eyewitness' there is much evidence to back that up (read a book on it). its seem very likely that the stories just became more and more fabricated as they were passed from person to person. If you look at the 4 gospels they are quite different not just the conflicting details but the messages of the gospels as well. John which is thought to be the last one written is all about Jesus being God. looking back at some of the oldest manuscripts John is the only of the Gospels that really claims Jesus is God.

#36 Fiz

Fiz

    SENIOR HUDDLER

  • Joined: 24-November 08
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • posts: 11,063
  • Reputation: 878
HUDDLER

Posted 23 May 2009 - 08:59 PM

so guys, i know this guy dave from ohio.

he was at this beach once, and the tide had gone out, leaving all these starfish in the sand.

he saw a figure in the distance bending over and picking them up, then throwing them into the ocean.

when dave got closer, he asked the man what he was doing.

the man said, "if the son comes up, it'll fry these guys" and threw one back into the ocean.

dave said, "there are millions of these all over the world. how can you make a difference?"

the man smiled, lifted one, wound up, and sodomized dave from ohio for hours with a star fish. every orifice. twice.