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Which of these players should be cut if unwilling to restructure?

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Since Gross seems to be playing poorly, and his salary is mostly not guaranteed, you cut him and save $10 million. Not the Panther way, I know. We cut people 2 years too late. He will be 33 and is getting beat this year. We will need to draft a LT in the first round if we do this, but 2013 is a good year for Ts.

In addition, you cut Williams (the worst deal Hurney ever made after Delhomme) and eat salary for several reasons: He will be 30 and most RBs hit the wall then, he has been a bit of a cancer (even if he is right--shut your mouth!), and we really do not need him, Bring Poole up.

Freeing up $10 million from Gross allows us to do something we should have done 2 years ago--sign a true #1 WR and move SS to the slot. Lafell and Gettis can play #3. Cut Edwards and Pilares. Keep Adams as a slot WR/KR. We upgrade the OL for the future and make the WR corps dangerous. We still have stewart, tolbert, and Tauren Poole in the backfield.

The offense, with Bell at G and possibly Campbell at RT, could be much improved.

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So basically, in a nutshell... we are screwed... nuff said

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Ron

Dwill

Beason for sure

Possibly Gamble, CJ

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http://www.spotrac.c...olina-panthers/

When I list the dead money, I am referring to the remaining signing bonuses that will hit the cap. You can take the hit all in 1 year or spread it over 2 if you desginate them a june 1st cut.I don't personally condone cutting all of these guys but heres our highest paid players and their scheduled cap hits and how much it would cost to cut them(dead money)

To understand the net cap hit of cutting each indvidual take their total cap hit - minus the dead money. You can spread it over 2 years(thanks rocknrolla) but whatever number you see listed in parentheses is the amount that would take an immediate hit next to the year listed. Then the remaining numbers in parentheses would come off in the 2nd year. Scroll down and see Rocknrolla's example of spreading CJ'S cap hit over 2 years for more clarification.

Here is the scheduled cap hits by year, numbers in parenthese are guaranteed amount for that year.

Williams

13: 8.2 million(3.2)

14: 9.2 million(3.2)

15: 10.2 million(3.2)

16:free agent

amount to of dead money to be absorbed if cut; 9.6 million(signing bonus)

Thomas Davis:

13:4 million(1.66)

14:7 million(1.66)

15:11.56 million(1.66)

16: free agent

4.98 million to be absorbed if cut

A couple of clarifications:

The amount in parenthesis does not equal guaranteed money. DWill, for example, has no guaranteed money for next year (other than his salary if on the roster for game 1). The $3.2 you list is each year's proration of the original signing bonus. That money has already been paid, it just hasn't been assigned to the cap yet.

In TD's case, the $1.66 listed is a roster bonus to the best of my knowledge and is likely not guaranteed. We are on the hook for the original $7 million signing bonus, but not those in the future. If I'm wrong and you have additional details, please let me know as I like to keep up with this stuff (at least as much as possible without paying for premium service).

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so does this mean Williams has trade value? because everything I've read here since his contract was

that we were stuck with him.

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A couple of clarifications:

The amount in parenthesis does not equal guaranteed money. DWill, for example, has no guaranteed money for next year (other than his salary if on the roster for game 1). The $3.2 you list is each year's proration of the original signing bonus. That money has already been paid, it just hasn't been assigned to the cap yet.

In TD's case, the $1.66 listed is a roster bonus to the best of my knowledge and is likely not guaranteed. We are on the hook for the original $7 million signing bonus, but not those in the future. If I'm wrong and you have additional details, please let me know as I like to keep up with this stuff (at least as much as possible without paying for premium service).

I am just relaying the info as I understand it best. I don't claim to be an expert on this, nor does anyone for that matter but I got all my info from the site I listed above. So I personally don't know enough to confirm or correct you on the matter of TD's contract.

Back to the topic at hand, I went back and used that website to compare average salaries by position and was sickened to see CJ is the 4th highest paid DE out there. It's water under the bridge at this point and our next GM will hopefully surround him with better talent to help him try and live up to his contract.

At this point I am liking everything I hear about that Star Lotuleli DT from Utah. Sounds like he would be a nice addition to put next to CJ on the line. The best free agent DT I could find on that website was Henry Melton of Chicago.

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Whoa, who are we going to get to replace some of these players? Edwards has been productive and has done a better job than Fua. He's playing for the league min, so really he should stay for the remainder of his contract.

Gamble, Gross, Smith, Beason should ALL restructure their contracts. Actually some of them already have last year. Olsen did, Gross did, smith did. There's only so much restructuring they can handle.

CJ and Godfrey need to start playing better or get the fug out of the team.

Looks like we are seriously going to build through the draft from now on. I hope so because this is ridiculous.

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Charles Johnson

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Back to the topic at hand, I went back and used that website to compare average salaries by position and was sickened to see CJ is the 4th highest paid DE out there. It's water under the bridge at this point and our next GM will hopefully surround him with better talent to help him try and live up to his contract.

Think CJ is bad? Go look at how Dwan Edwards' salary stacks up with other DT's. Now I know why no one was talking about what he cost...he has the 9th highest base salary for DT's. That's right, Dwan is paid more than guys like Mebane and just $400,000 less per year than Vince Wilfork.

Buffalo cut him because he was not living up to his contract, so what did we do? Pay him more than he got there. That just boggles my mind.

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Whoa, who are we going to get to replace some of these players? Edwards has been productive and has done a better job than Fua. He's playing for the league min, so really he should stay for the remainder of his contract.

Gamble, Gross, Smith, Beason should ALL restructure their contracts. Actually some of them already have last year. Olsen did, Gross did, smith did. There's only so much restructuring they can handle.

there's a huge difference between a restructure that simply pushes cap hits into the future (this actually benefits the player in every way) and taking a pay cut.

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