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Which of these players should be cut if unwilling to restructure?


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#16 Rubi

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 03:37 PM

Beason. Gamble. DWill and Godfrey

Cut

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 03:47 PM

ANYONE who refuses to work with the new management team to restructure their deal needs to be shown the door.

Ive been an unabashed fan of Mr Smith but even he should be given his walking papers if he will not help the team get out of this mess.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 03:55 PM

Johnson's contract is nauseating.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 03:56 PM

The only 2 we gain Cap space from is Gross and Gamble. I am sure Gross will restructure. I think Gamble will move on.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 03:58 PM

All of them

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 04:31 PM

You can't just cut players if you have nobody behind them. We have limited resources to build back, we can't go creating a plethora of ADDITIONAL needs. It doesn't help because that money will go right back down the drain once we invest it in someone else noteworthy, along with any cap penalty we may receive from the players we axed that we're replacing.

Guys like Smith and Gamble should be safe. Guys like Williams and sadly Beason probably aren't. Frankly I don't see why you don't trade Williams now to a team on the hump and see what you can scrape back.

It's not about what you get in return, which will likely be a 5th at best, but simply about offloading his salary. You wait until the offseason and his trade value goes way down because teams know we're going to cut him.

And of course expect some restructures in there but probably not on the same level as the Hurney era Panthers which relied pretty much exclusively on restructures to stay above water when managing the cap.

#22 NanuqoftheNorth

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 04:38 PM

Hopefully this ends any lingering doubt of Marty Hurney = salary cap genius :startle:

These numbers are so unbelievably bad, I keep hoping to see a missing decimal point appear, especially for CJ.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 05:06 PM

Cut them all and let fans play for league minimum. That would be a more entertaining 0-6 then this 1-5. My passion for this team is slowly turning to hate. They've all had a part in running this poo into the ground!

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 05:08 PM

We have no depth and no superstars because instead of going after either hurney decided to grossly over pay "our guys" who less face it our just slightly above average.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 05:26 PM

Since Gross seems to be playing poorly, and his salary is mostly not guaranteed, you cut him and save $10 million. Not the Panther way, I know. We cut people 2 years too late. He will be 33 and is getting beat this year. We will need to draft a LT in the first round if we do this, but 2013 is a good year for Ts.

In addition, you cut Williams (the worst deal Hurney ever made after Delhomme) and eat salary for several reasons: He will be 30 and most RBs hit the wall then, he has been a bit of a cancer (even if he is right--shut your mouth!), and we really do not need him, Bring Poole up.

Freeing up $10 million from Gross allows us to do something we should have done 2 years ago--sign a true #1 WR and move SS to the slot. Lafell and Gettis can play #3. Cut Edwards and Pilares. Keep Adams as a slot WR/KR. We upgrade the OL for the future and make the WR corps dangerous. We still have stewart, tolbert, and Tauren Poole in the backfield.

The offense, with Bell at G and possibly Campbell at RT, could be much improved.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 05:34 PM

So basically, in a nutshell... we are screwed... nuff said

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 05:43 PM

Ron
Dwill
Beason for sure

Possibly Gamble, CJ

#28 Marguide

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 05:46 PM

http://www.spotrac.c...olina-panthers/

When I list the dead money, I am referring to the remaining signing bonuses that will hit the cap. You can take the hit all in 1 year or spread it over 2 if you desginate them a june 1st cut.I don't personally condone cutting all of these guys but heres our highest paid players and their scheduled cap hits and how much it would cost to cut them(dead money)

To understand the net cap hit of cutting each indvidual take their total cap hit - minus the dead money. You can spread it over 2 years(thanks rocknrolla) but whatever number you see listed in parentheses is the amount that would take an immediate hit next to the year listed. Then the remaining numbers in parentheses would come off in the 2nd year. Scroll down and see Rocknrolla's example of spreading CJ'S cap hit over 2 years for more clarification.

Here is the scheduled cap hits by year, numbers in parenthese are guaranteed amount for that year.

Williams
13: 8.2 million(3.2)
14: 9.2 million(3.2)
15: 10.2 million(3.2)
16:free agent
amount to of dead money to be absorbed if cut; 9.6 million(signing bonus)

Thomas Davis:
13:4 million(1.66)
14:7 million(1.66)
15:11.56 million(1.66)
16: free agent
4.98 million to be absorbed if cut


A couple of clarifications:

The amount in parenthesis does not equal guaranteed money. DWill, for example, has no guaranteed money for next year (other than his salary if on the roster for game 1). The $3.2 you list is each year's proration of the original signing bonus. That money has already been paid, it just hasn't been assigned to the cap yet.

In TD's case, the $1.66 listed is a roster bonus to the best of my knowledge and is likely not guaranteed. We are on the hook for the original $7 million signing bonus, but not those in the future. If I'm wrong and you have additional details, please let me know as I like to keep up with this stuff (at least as much as possible without paying for premium service).

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 05:57 PM

so does this mean Williams has trade value? because everything I've read here since his contract was
that we were stuck with him.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 06:13 PM

A couple of clarifications:

The amount in parenthesis does not equal guaranteed money. DWill, for example, has no guaranteed money for next year (other than his salary if on the roster for game 1). The $3.2 you list is each year's proration of the original signing bonus. That money has already been paid, it just hasn't been assigned to the cap yet.

In TD's case, the $1.66 listed is a roster bonus to the best of my knowledge and is likely not guaranteed. We are on the hook for the original $7 million signing bonus, but not those in the future. If I'm wrong and you have additional details, please let me know as I like to keep up with this stuff (at least as much as possible without paying for premium service).


I am just relaying the info as I understand it best. I don't claim to be an expert on this, nor does anyone for that matter but I got all my info from the site I listed above. So I personally don't know enough to confirm or correct you on the matter of TD's contract.

Back to the topic at hand, I went back and used that website to compare average salaries by position and was sickened to see CJ is the 4th highest paid DE out there. It's water under the bridge at this point and our next GM will hopefully surround him with better talent to help him try and live up to his contract.

At this point I am liking everything I hear about that Star Lotuleli DT from Utah. Sounds like he would be a nice addition to put next to CJ on the line. The best free agent DT I could find on that website was Henry Melton of Chicago.


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