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Now that Hurney's been fired, have you re-evaluated how you felt about him?


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#1 Frash Brastard

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 01:30 AM

Pretty sure a lot of people simply bought into some of the things he was doing simply because people here have a tendency to think "well, he must be good because he's in that position". I do believe that there was significant influence on how the franchise was run by JR, but on a more general level. I don't think Richardson has the stamina to be heavily vested in fine-tuning the contracts that were drawn up or the rigors of the drafting process. The "core" that Richardson kept saying was invaluable to the team and needed to be kept was both scouted and drafted under the watch of Hurney. I don't think Richardson watched hours of App State film and said, "that guy right there Marty, we need to trade up for him". I think we need Richardson to step down from making general demands for our front office to fill and let the next guy do his thing, but that raises another question. Has Richardson taken more involvement of the team in recent history because he didn't have confidence in Hurney?

To the people whom I've argued with that are afraid of my constant reminding in the future, just be honest. I don't want to rub it in your face in the future if you can admit that the guy wasn't very good at what he did. As a principle, I don't like to give credit to someone who isn't performing well enough to deserve it, and really, neither should you. If you feel disappointed like "why did we fire Hurney?" well this isn't a league where everybody gets to keep their jobs no matter how bad they are at it and you just wait until you accidentally win a Superbowl one year. You don't really believe that Hurney was just a contracts guy and that Jerry made all of those specific personnel-level decisions, do you?

#2 Kevin Greene

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 01:33 AM

No, he's sucked ballz for years.

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 01:40 AM

I was always a Hurney supporter, but the hiring of Rivera was borderline unforgivable and that's what, IMO, finally did him in.

I do worry we'll wind up with someone way worse, but for a total rebuild it had to be done.

#4 jtnc

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 01:47 AM

I believe Hurney was a dead man walking since 2010, those terrible drafts, letting Peppers go without getting something his worth. Hurney's bad outweighed his good. It was time to move on, and truth be told it was time to move on after 2010.



#5 Frash Brastard

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 01:54 AM

I mean, the Peppers thing, ....Peppers really fuged up the entire organization's ability to do anything that would limit the loss by refusing to cooperate.

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 01:59 AM

I supported Marty as long as possible, just as I supported Rivera as long as possible. Generally, that's what most fans do. Like most, the signings of DWill, CJ, Beason, et al caused me to do a double take, but I was still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Earlier this year we had one of these threads, and I think my rating was a 5 on a scale of 1 to 10.

As this year unfolded, it became increasingly apparent that there was a major disconnect between Marty's vision and the game plans on Sunday. I had some questions in my mind about Rivera at the end of last year, but not enough to make me ready to throw in the towel. As the year has progressed, it's become apparent to me that Ron is in way over his head and wasn't ready to be an NFL head coach. Since he was a Marty hire, that just added to the problems that were beginning up to overwhelm anything good he ever did.

So for me, it has been a constant evaluation and re-evaluation process with the end result that there were no questions in my mind that he had to go.

That said, I still think Rivera shoulders more of the direct blame for the record ytd. While we lack talent in many areas and have too many overpaid players, there is still enough talent on this team to win more than we have. It's too bad there wasn't a viable option for an interim coach, because in my mind, Ron should have gone right along with Marty.

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 02:12 AM

I mean, the Peppers thing, ....Peppers really fuged up the entire organization's ability to do anything that would limit the loss by refusing to cooperate.


I'm not understanding why we just couldn't have tagged him and traded him for a 2nd. It's not like he has a choice.

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 02:22 AM

re-evaluated? i wanted him fired since he decided to give delhomme a big contract after the arizona playoff game. wtf was he thinking? he then lets peppers walk for nothing, and then he squandered draft picks on everette brown and edwards which enforced me wanting him gone. he followed that up with ridiculous sized contracts for core players from a 2-14 team. there is way more to criticize him for but its time for me to go to bed.

there is nothing to re-evaluate. he shouldve been fired a LONG time ago.

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 02:27 AM

re-evaluated? i wanted him fired since he decided to give delhomme a big contract after the arizona playoff game. wtf was he thinking? he then lets peppers walk for nothing, and then he squandered draft picks on everette brown and edwards which enforced me wanting him gone. he followed that up with ridiculous sized contracts for core players from a 2-14 team. there is way more to criticize him for but its time for me to go to bed.

there is nothing to re-evaluate. he shouldve been fired a LONG time ago.


I wanted him gone too when Fox left. We all knew the Jake contract was a mistake. But when JR decided to keep him around, I thought it would be appropriate to give him a fresh slate to see what he could do on his own.

That obviously didn't work out.

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 02:41 AM

I'm not understanding why we just couldn't have tagged him and traded him for a 2nd. It's not like he has a choice.


he essentially gave them no negotiating leverage.

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 03:04 AM

Nope

I look at the absolutely retarded contracts he gave out, and the fact that he had ignored positions of need for years (coughcoughDTcoughcough) and think we can do much better.

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 03:15 AM

I'm not understanding why we just couldn't have tagged him and traded him for a 2nd. It's not like he has a choice.


Because noone was interested on giving up a 2nd in trade for a ONE YEAR contract with Peppers at $20.1M (plus another $1.5M for a pro-bowl).

We did get a 3rd rounder for the release, there is no way anyone would have given up more than that.

#13 Thorrez

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 03:22 AM

My take on Hurney:
Drafting: Pathetic (especially the trade up for future higher picks)
Signing players with expiring rookie deals: Bad
Finding contributing veteran trades for lower picks: Mediocre
Cap managment: Excellent

All in all: On his incompetence level.

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 03:30 AM

7-9
11-5
7-9
11-5
8-8
7-9
12-4

3X NFC South Champions, 2 NFC Championship Games, Super Bowl 38 loss...

That is what Hurney made of the 1-15 team he inherited in 7 seasons. He did a damn good job.

JR killed Hurney when he gutted the team after '09. Nobody would recover from the mess JR forced into his lap. JR threw away 3-4 years of our teams future over pennies fighting for the NFL brass. Hurney should of been let go with Fox.

Hurney has been a dead man walking since he was forced to gut the roster in '09.





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Posted 26 October 2012 - 06:33 AM

For me it'll depend on how the team does without him, otherwise I think it's pretty hard to judge.

FWIW, I still don't think talent is the reason we suck right now and that's his main job.


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