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#31 Mr. Scot

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 10:47 AM

Well give 'em a radio show... they could do better than Cowherd.


They did audition for a commercial once.

And I confess...They're the ones actually doing the new GM research.

(the head coaching thread from two years ago was them too)

#32 carpantherfan84

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 04:36 PM

interviewer: Derp, Derp, Derp Whats wrong with Cam, Derp.

Analyst: Knowledge, Knowledge Knowledge, Cams Fine, coaches suck, Knowledge.

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Interviewer: Derp, Derp, Derp Andrew Luck great, team making him look bad, Derp.

Analyst Pause...Knowledge Knowledge, Offensive Line not bad, Luck not that great, Knowledge

Analyst I wanna talk about the rookie who actually is balling. Knowledge, Knowledge

Interviewer: Awww do I have too... Derp, Derp

Analyst: Knowledge, Knowledge, Knowledge RGIII balling, Coaches taking care of him, Knowledge

Interviewer: Derp, Derp, Derp, I will ignore the obvious truth and refuse to acknowledge it, while continuing to chew on some Brady Nuts.Derp.




I posted this on another topic because I got confused about who was talking during that one

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 05:50 PM

Sometimes I wonder how many folks around here read or watch anything besides the Huddle and ESPN?

Rivera has said they may have tried over think things as regards to the offense. They had success when no one saw them coming. They may have gone overboard trying to stay ahead of the curve.

In all actuality, this is a young staff. Hopefully they will learn and grow. Cuz there is still a lot of talent on this offense. Get it figured out and things can change in a hurry.

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 09:11 PM

Cowherd is going with the ESPN breifing of the week...his job like all of ESPN now is just to be polarizing or to incite... Nothing more..Cowherd will flip flop in a heart beat and be apologetic..LOL that he has seen anything more than the NFL network game...or past the first Q.

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 09:22 PM

When Carolina starts running a traditional offense with Newton under center, everyone will realize with clear certanity what a limited player Cam Newton is. He is a mediocre quarterback who can run. That's it. That being said, there is a lot of talent on the offensive side of the ball. Use it. Take the ball out of Newton's hands. Your defense is improving. You can win with Newton, but not because of Newton.

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 09:28 PM

When Carolina starts running a traditional offense with Newton under center, everyone will realize with clear certanity what a limited player Cam Newton is. He is a mediocre quarterback who can run. That's it. That being said, there is a lot of talent on the offensive side of the ball. Use it. Take the ball out of Newton's hands. Your defense is improving. You can win with Newton, but not because of Newton.


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You've never watched Cam play, have you?

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 09:36 PM

Yes. Many times. At Carolina as well as Auburn. He is a below average NFL quarterback in the pocket. He has no real feel for the passing game...his anticipation of when receivers will be open is dreadful. The Panthers are running the read option offense in order to hide Newton's liabilities. Put him in, say, the current Denver offense, and you will see how limited he is.

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 10:56 PM

Yes. Many times. At Carolina as well as Auburn. He is a below average NFL quarterback in the pocket. He has no real feel for the passing game...his anticipation of when receivers will be open is dreadful. The Panthers are running the read option offense in order to hide Newton's liabilities. Put him in, say, the current Denver offense, and you will see how limited he is.

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#39 LelouchBritannia

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 08:05 AM

A Power running game with one of the worst offensive lines in the league is akin to running a vertical offense with a qb who can't throw the ball 15 yards down the field

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 08:14 AM

Newton may be the best, he may be the worst, he may be average.

The Panthers will only know if they allow him to play like a real QB.

It is true he badly missed that slant to Louis Murphy....replays show Murphy was open in the endzone if Newton had just anticipated and threw the ball. He did not. He delayed. The ball was intercepted.

That said, let us also not forget that on 3rd and 15 and 3rd and 18 under heavy rush and a tight coverage, Newton put the ball right in Murphy's hands in stride.

To make a judgement on Newton now is ridiculous. There is simply not enough facts.

Sick of people feeling that have to constantly deride the guy.

He will be something or he wont. The timeline on that is more in JR's hands than any other. A man who would part with his sons and his best friend in order to win is not someone who is going to keep a 23 year old he doesn't beileve in on this team.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 08:35 AM

Yes. Many times. At Carolina as well as Auburn. He is a below average NFL quarterback in the pocket. He has no real feel for the passing game...his anticipation of when receivers will be open is dreadful. The Panthers are running the read option offense in order to hide Newton's liabilities. Put him in, say, the current Denver offense, and you will see how limited he is.


Cam Newton can run a pro-style offense. Is he Peyton Manning or Tom Brady right now - no, of course not. But his ability to keep plays alive scrambling and even taking off every now and then makes him as dangerous a QB in the entire league. I can't imagine you've actually seen some of the throws this kid makes and can say with a straight face that he's below average. Easily one of the strongest arms in the league, and alot more accurate than people give him credit. Does he make some boneheaded plays - yes, but I'll argue no more than most other winning QBs.

Perhaps your expectations are too high. Please watch the ATL/WAS game if possible. Notice the plays WAS runs for Griffin, before he was knocked out of the game. Then notice how Ryan throws a lot of passes to his security blanket Gonzalez - I promise you when that guy is gone, Ryan will look a lot more vulnerable. Plus notice the INT Ryan threw to a DE that was returned for a TD.

Or even watch WAS/NYG. Eli makes a ton of bad throws and decisions. RG3 threw a horrible INT and fumbled when sacked.

Or just watch the first half of the DEN/ATL game. Peyton threw half as many INTs in the first half as Cam has all season.

My point is Cam is a dynamic QB with all the tools to be elite. But he's a young player that needs time to develop. He's a passer that can run. Unfortunately, Chud is treating him as a runner that plays QB.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 12:00 PM

This was on The Herd yesterday, and I meant to post it, but had other stuff going on... Anyway, for those of you not familiar with him, he's been with NFL Films for over 30 years and he's the guy that breaks down film with Jaws all day.

If you haven't heard it, it is REALLY worth the listen, and it's only about 2-3 minutes on us at the very beginning of the segment. Check it out and it confirms/explains a lot, especially for those, like myself, who know the problem isn't Cam.

http://espn.go.com/e...play?id=8550473


The problem with Cam is that he isn't adept at running a pro style offense. Last week on one of the few plays he took under center he tripped and fell on the hand off. It is true that he does need to be developed in that area...but he does have the physical attributes to run it. But it's not like he knows how to do it and they're just denying him the pro offense though. It's more like we're going to lose a lot of games in the process of trying to teach him. At this point at 1-5....teach him cause we're not going anywhere. The season at this point is practice for next year.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 12:16 PM

The problem with Cam is that he isn't adept at running a pro style offense. Last week on one of the few plays he took under center he tripped and fell on the hand off.


Smh, he tripped because Bell took his first step too deep and stepped on Newton's foot. That was a function of Bell's inexperience at guard. Cam has taken hundreds of snaps under center without tripping so I'm pretty confident this is not an indicator of anything.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 12:34 PM

Jaws and some others who have analyzed film have said he has done well from under center this year. He's just not being given the opportunities. By Rivera's own admission, they basically thought they were "staying ahead of the curve" by using the shotgun/read option base, but may have "out thought themselves." Doesn't sound like they were trying to protect him, more like they thought they'd be fooling people by continuing to do it and it failed.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 12:36 PM

The majority of our best plays against Dallas came with Newton under center.


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