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Panthers 7th in yards per offensive play, 28th in Total Offense

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Lol oh man I forgot how horrible a stat YPP was (as an overall indicator of team performance, it can be good in some situations).

I think I brought this point up multiple times but pffl always ignored it: according to YPP (if you use it to judge offense by itself) a team that drives 80 yards for a td every possession of a game is less effective offensively than a team that goes 3 and out on every series but returns a kick for a td.

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Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, obviously.

I see a young player who often CHOOSES to go downfield with the football in preference to taking something easy underneath. I also see a young player who struggles with accuracy on short and intermediate routes.

I like what they did with him yesterday, though. They took the game out of his hands a little bit and it obviously helped.

You mean like how he only threw for 300 + yards and how they actually used 2 of the top 8 highest paid running backs in the league?

Put it like this, if they did that 7 weeks ago, you wouldn't be on this site. Kind of coincides with the poor coaching performance theme we have going on here.

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You mean like how he only threw for 300 + yards and how they actually used 2 of the top 8 highest paid running backs in the league?

Put it like this, if they did that 7 weeks ago, you wouldn't be on this site. Kind of coincides with the poor coaching performance theme we have going on here.

One last post before I get off work (yes, yes, blind homers, go ahead and celebrate and post insults),

Newton had 315 yards passing yesterday: 65 of it came on a complete busted coverage play by the Bears. Another huge chunk of it came on a Newton jump ball that Smitty makes a great play on. Newton also threw 2 interceptions and could have easily thrown 2 more. He completed barely 50 % of his passes and his Quarterback rating was, I think, 50. In other words, terrible.

I agree with the general premise of your argument, I think.

The one huge mistake Ron Rivera made ( it will probably cost him his job) was trying to design an offense around Cam Newton.

This team has quite a bit of talent on offense, and a rapidly improving defense which is on the verge of becoming a top tier unit.

Amazingly, the complete moron Rivera is accomplishing this defensive improvement with very suspect talent in the secondary.

Anyway, they took the game largely out of Newton's hands and played much better football.

Let's hope it continues.

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So tony n is pffl and from here on our we should all ignore his diatribe. As tempting as it may be to reply to his idiocy, let it be. He will soon go away once Cam comes around again, just like he did last year. PFFL had one leg to stand on and Cam chopped it off with a kitana blade. Now that we, as a team, are struggling due to poor coaching, PFFL is on his nubs trying to spew more bullshit. It's laughable to the point where it's sad.

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Newton had 315 yards passing yesterday: 65 of it came on a complete busted coverage play by the Bears. Another huge chunk of it came on a Newton jump ball that Smitty makes a great play on. Newton also threw 2 interceptions and could have easily thrown 2 more. He completed barely 50 % of his passes and his Quarterback rating was, I think, 50. In other words, terrible.

Anyway, they took the game largely out of Newton's hands and played much better football.

Let's hope it continues.

Wow :) I will say you are entertaining in your attempts to troll.

Busted coverage? Do you know how many big plays are "busted coverages"

Jump ball? Watch Drew Brees and Matthew Stafford play a game.

Almost picks aren't a stat

Steve Smith slipped on a timing route on 1 pick. The other pick even thought it can be argued is Cam's fault.

If taking the ball largely out of Newton's hands means that they

a) Used more traditional NFL sets.

b.) Used the 89 million dollars worth of running backs

c) Used more 2 TE formations which were successful last year and apparently this year as well.

d) Actually did more than say "hey Cam get in Shotgun and win it for us like you did at Auburn"

e) Still had him pass more than 30+ times,

Then yes they took the ball "LARGELY" out of his hands.

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Last year we were one of the best red zone teams in the nfl weren't we?

We improved into the year with designed runs for Cam in the redzone. Not sure where we were stat wise.

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30th in run blocking and 26th in pass pro now, so getting worse.

Keep in mind that the OP is of the opinion that coaching is fine. i.e. he's reading stats, not watching games.

Actually tge OP has repeatedly stated that the issue is both coaching and execution. All if the over-the-top top Cam slurpers refuse to see that execution is a big issue....not just coaching.

Play calling sucks...but our offensive's execution has been just as bad (especially on third down).

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I think 3rd down conversion % is a telling stat. It does matter, and shouldn't be ignored.

How did Cam do yesterday on 3rd down conversions with a more balanced run attack vs the previous 5 games? Really would like to know if anyone can find it. I recall the announcer saying we hadn't gone 3 and out until sometime in the 3rd quarter against the Bears.

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I think 3rd down conversion % is a telling stat. It does matter, and shouldn't be ignored.

How did Cam do yesterday on 3rd down conversions with a more balanced run attack vs the previous 5 games? Really would like to know if anyone can find it. I recall the announcer saying we hadn't gone 3 and out until sometime in the 3rd quarter against the Bears.

team was 10/19 on third down

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Actually tge OP has repeatedly stated that the issue is both coaching and execution. All if the over-the-top top Cam slurpers refuse to see that execution is a big issue....not just coaching.

Play calling sucks...but our offensive's execution has been just as bad (especially on third down).

The OP has another thread/post from a day or two ago saying that coaching wasn't an issue. Newton is bringing the coaching staff down. So no, that's not what he's saying at all.

What he's trying (and failing) to allude to is that Cam is almost completely responsible for our 3rd down efficiency by posting cherry picked stats with no context whatsoever. He's not interested in hearing how bad our running game is if you remove Cam's scrambling, how bad the OLine has been in general, the fact that a huge portion of our third downs have been long, the fact that prior to this game we ran very few short/quick routes and instead looked for slow developing, down field throws, the fact that the read option being our base package for so long made it so that by the time Newton set his feet and started looking for people to throw to, the pass rush had already had about 2 - 3 seconds to abuse our piss poor line, etc.

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