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#21 csx

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 08:21 AM

Lmao can already see where this thread is heading.

Usual crew coming in and spewing the usual rhetoric. Go jump off a cliff already ya miserable bastards.

For the record, Cam has some improving to do. This doesn't change the fact Ron is a piss poor coach, in every facet.



Pretty much all you ever do is complain about what others post and complain about the coaching you miserable bastard!

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 08:22 AM

Pretty much all you ever do is complain about what others post and complain about the coaching you miserable bastard!


Pot meet kettle. Get over it csx.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 10:05 AM

It's a balance you have to have with Cam. If you're too hard on him, he'll quit listening to you and rebel. If you're too easy on him, he'll take advantage of that. A lot of people are like this.

Rivera hasn't found that comfortable medium. Gene Chizik did.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 10:43 AM

1-6...that's the reason.

i know it's the reason for my demeanor and slump.



Wait till it turns to 1-15! :startle:

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 11:03 AM

It's cam and the coaching.

Imagine that, everyone's right.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 11:56 AM

Cam has NOT acted the same this season as last year. He was all smiles and upbeat last season. He looks like he is not having fun out there right now. I know the play calling has been sub-par, but this outcome is on Cam as well as the coaches.

Their playcalling has sucked, but Cam's execution has been sub-par.


After a loss Cam did the same poo last year....media wasn't all over it as much.

Cam was hot and cold last year......great one week and erratic the next. He is still on pace to make comparable "big plays"......difference was there was a great ground attack to help during his lulls last year. Meant chains moved more often and more opportunities (which explains his TDs being down).

If he was slumping his yard per pass and yard per rush would not both be BETTER this year. Offense has slumped.....which is different.

Last year, Cam had a lot to work on.....still does. What hurts this team is the step backwards in OL, rushing attack and playcalling. Cam pretty much is bringing the same thing to the table as last year (expeditions make that look like a step backwards)

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 12:16 PM

is because he has an apathetic head coach who has no fire and is not a leader.

If Cam had someone like Harbaugh, Gruden, or Brian Kelly who actually coached him up on the sidelines and lit into him when needed, it would make a huge difference. But Cam feels lost because he has nobody to guide him other than Shula. He goes and sulks on the bench with the Gatorade towel because Rivera lets him.

Ron is too scared to get in the face of his star quarterback. Take the Seattle game, for example, when Cam threw the ball into the turf. Ron was just like, "aw, shucks." And you know what? I don't think Cam respects him. He has every right not to.

A head coach is someone who commands respect and should have power over his players - sort of like a parent, so to speak. You love and enjoy your parents, but at the same time you aren't "buddies" with them and they hold power over you. I don't like using this word, but as a head coach you are a dictator. Ron seems to lack that relationship with his players - in fact, he seems to lack A relationship with his players. He seems to be more of a facilitator and organizer than a head coach. That, not his supposed lack of football knowledge, is why he isn't cut out to coach this team.

Our next head coach will be a mentor and fiery leader who has the balls to be real with Cam.

Just some late night thoughts. Sorry if I'm beating a dead horse.

does Cam need someone to hold his hand through life?

Does Cam need someone to change his diaper too? This thread is off on so many levels it doesnt even deserve a response.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 12:41 PM

Rivera's players don't respect him?

Is that why they are still playing their asses off for him despite what is so far a train wreck of a season?

You think Rivera is scared?
Did you see him just about bite Captain's head off on the sidelines Sunday?

Ron Rivera was an NFL linebacker---not a great player, no, but a solid contributor on some great defensive teams for 9 years. And not in the Stone Age, either. Very, very few head coaches can say that. This gives him automatic cred in the locker room.

You don't see Rivera challenging Newton?
That's because Rivera is a defensive coach through and though and has given almost complete autonomy of the offense to others---and it is going to cost him his job.

You say he is not a firey leader?
Neither is Bill Belichick.
Another good defensive coach who was considered a complete failure as a head coach in his first gig.

Rivera's biggest problem is that he was persueded into adopting the read option offense and he has no leadership on the offensive side of the ball. None.

Sorry, brother, but a quarterback has got to be a leader. It is part of the job description. You should never have to cajole your quaterback into being a leader. He steps into the huddle and demands it.

Go ahead, gentleman, hurl the troll and idiot and moron remarks my way all you wish, but if the Carolina Panthers had RG III or Andrew Luck or Russell Wilson playing quarterback right now, they would not be 1-6. None of those guys have the talent of Cam Newton--but they all have moxie and all are strong, natural and mature leaders who dont cry and sulk about losing. They don't hide behind towels...


They go out and grab the bull by the freakin' horns and win...and DEMAND the same from their teammates.


Yeah, If they had RGIII they would be last in their division. Wait we are last in our division. Luck is benefitting from a super weak schedule. He still is not on Cam's pace from last year. Russell Wilson has the best defense in the league. None of these guys are the sole leaders on their team. None of them are the sole reason their teams have 1 or 2 more wins than we do. And did you really use the word moxie?

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 12:45 PM

Lmao can already see where this thread is heading.

Usual crew coming in and spewing the usual rhetoric. Go jump off a cliff already ya miserable bastards.

For the record, Cam has some improving to do. This doesn't change the fact Ron is a piss poor coach, in every facet.


I agree. Why are so many trying to make it one or the other when its clearly both? Cam first fanz are way too defensive.

Every comparison to rg3 and what if convo about luck is PURE IGNORANCE. Cam is our guy and at the end of the day I am OK with that. The problem is that UI'm not stoked outta my goard about it like i was all last season up until the bux game. Clearly something was off and you could just tell.

He just needs to screw his head back on straight and go have some fun.

If he actually starts buying in to half the puss-cake excuses you assbags around here keep making for him then he may never live up to his potential.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 12:46 PM

After a loss Cam did the same poo last year....media wasn't all over it as much.

Cam was hot and cold last year......great one week and erratic the next. He is still on pace to make comparable "big plays"......difference was there was a great ground attack to help during his lulls last year. Meant chains moved more often and more opportunities (which explains his TDs being down).

If he was slumping his yard per pass and yard per rush would not both be BETTER this year. Offense has slumped.....which is different.

Last year, Cam had a lot to work on.....still does. What hurts this team is the step backwards in OL, rushing attack and playcalling. Cam pretty much is bringing the same thing to the table as last year (expeditions make that look like a step backwards)


I am not really talking about his demeanor after a game. I am talking more about his expressions and behavior during the game. He just does not seem like his is having fun. He just seems to be off this season.


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