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#91 chknwing

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 07:06 PM

trade dwill for a washing machine, prolly get more use out o fit.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 07:08 PM

can someone please explain to me how the whole "cap hit" works if we trade him? i thought it would help us if another team is willing to take over his contract and it would relieve us right?

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 07:35 PM

For PT, the cap impact has been explained numerous times on the forum. It has been explained in this thread and many others. Go back a few pages and start reading...

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 07:37 PM

This is not going to happen. Any long time Panther fan knows this stuff doesn't happen.

Please just kill this topic.

#95 Lilsmitty09

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 08:14 PM

And why is there no love for deangelo on this board? Personally I wouldn't be happy with a 3rd for him. He still has a lot left in the tank. Just need a damn doach

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 08:45 PM

I dont think there is "no love" for dwill, I think people realize by dumping is contract we have moe money to sign a dwayne bowe or greg Jennings or use some of that $ to resign Ghardy

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 09:57 PM

Trades not going to happen. No way the FO eats the money for a low round pick.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 10:47 PM

Thanks!! So in essence we would be paying $9.6 mill in dead money next season but then be freed of his contract? If so, that sounds good to me since we're not using him at all.

Here's the thing about that. Williams' and everyone else's contract that runs past this year, that next year's bonus proration is already counting for 2013. Stay, go. Cut, trade. It's going to be there.

So, that leaves 2 years of bonus left to account for (2014, 2015), at $3.2 million/year ($6.4 million total) that accelerates versus $4.75 million salary and $ 250k bonus (total $4.9 million). So really, the two options leave you $1.4 million less space for dumping him than keeping him, which is not that big a deal if you want to drop him.

The thing that's odd is that they've supposedly decided they just don't want him anymore, or that he and Hurney were so tied that he immediately needed demoted or traded ASAP. That part's odd. He's the more rational guy to cut, but the idea he has to just immediately GTFO is weird. I guess it's inevitable, but it's very sudden.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 11:01 PM

The thing that's odd is that they've supposedly decided they just don't want him anymore, or that he and Hurney were so tied that he immediately needed demoted or traded ASAP. That part's odd. He's the more rational guy to cut, but the idea he has to just immediately GTFO is weird.


it's not hard to figure out. the intent was not to get rid of him right now.

williams got demoted and everyone overreacted. naturally, he's not going to be happy about it. other teams know it and are considering throwing hooks in the water to see what bites.

contrary to popular rumors, the panthers are not going to just let williams go at the first sign of an offer. they want to dump his contract, but it's going to be one on of 3 conditions...

1. a team ponies up a can't refuse offer by the trade deadline

2. he restructures, or...

3. he gets cut after june 1st 2013.

GM or no GM, this is how it will go down.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 11:03 PM

Here's the thing about that. Williams' and everyone else's contract that runs past this year, that next year's bonus proration is already counting for 2013. Stay, go. Cut, trade. It's going to be there.

So, that leaves 2 years of bonus left to account for (2014, 2015), at $3.2 million/year ($6.4 million total) that accelerates versus $4.65 million salary and $ 250k bonus (total $4.9 million). So really, the two options leave you $1.5 million less space for dumping him than keeping him, which is not that big a deal if you want to drop him.

The thing that's odd is that they've supposedly decided they just don't want him anymore, or that he and Hurney were so tied that he immediately needed demoted or traded ASAP. That part's odd. He's the more rational guy to cut, but the idea he has to just immediately GTFO is weird.


Every time I feel I get a grasp of a contract something new pops up. I definitely think his situation is a weird one. I don't know why he fell out of flavor from one week to another. If we don't make out like bandits on a trade offer with him, we might as well keep him.

The new GM should sit with him in the offseason and discuss 2 options:

1. Restructure and stay with the team as a starter/backup in a power run offense where he was successful.
2. Restructure and we'll trade him to a team that will have quality carries for him. Restructuring helps us in the future and will allow a trade to go smoother.

DWill doesn't seem like a selfish player/person and he got his payday. I think he would accept one of the above options if the deal is fair.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 11:10 PM

Here's the thing about that. Williams' and everyone else's contract that runs past this year, that next year's bonus proration is already counting for 2013. Stay, go. Cut, trade. It's going to be there.

So, that leaves 2 years of bonus left to account for (2014, 2015), at $3.2 million/year ($6.4 million total) that accelerates versus $4.65 million salary and $ 250k bonus (total $4.9 million). So really, the two options leave you $1.5 million less space for dumping him than keeping him, which is not that big a deal if you want to drop him.

The thing that's odd is that they've supposedly decided they just don't want him anymore, or that he and Hurney were so tied that he immediately needed demoted or traded ASAP. That part's odd. He's the more rational guy to cut, but the idea he has to just immediately GTFO is weird.


I had posted earlier that if he were traded immediately, the $9.6 million would hit in 2012. From your post and other readings, I now see that I was incorrect. The $9.6 hits in 2013 as you correctly point out.

Let's say they don't trade him tomorrow. As I understand it, we could cut him as early as the start of the league year in March, designate him a June 1st cut, and split the acceleration into two years ($3.2 million in 2013, and $6.4 million in 2014). As his salary next year would be $4, 750,000, we could generate some cap savings for next year should he be cut. The net impact in 2014 would be about $700,000 negative based on the info I have.

Does all this look correct?

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 11:11 PM

Every time I feel I get a grasp of a contract something new pops up. I definitely think his situation is a weird one. I don't know why he fell out of flavor from one week to another. If we don't make out like bandits on a trade offer with him, we might as well keep him.

The new GM should sit with him in the offseason and discuss 2 options:

1. Restructure and stay with the team as a starter/backup in a power run offense where he was successful.
2. Restructure and we'll trade him to a team that will have quality carries for him. Restructuring helps us in the future and will allow a trade to go smoother.

DWill doesn't seem like a selfish player/person and he got his payday. I think he would accept one of the above options if the deal is fair.

yeah. I'm not saying it's completely out of bounds to say, "this team has one high paid back, we'll deal with this eventually." It's just weird that Hurney's gone, and suddenly DW is an afterthought.

Ideally I'd prefer a GM to do this, and have that as part of his own plan. For now, the worry is that if he's not dealt now, there won't be a market for him in the future, and the same numbers will come without a pick at all.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 11:14 PM

I say trade him, he is not his old self, getting tired of seeing him being stuffed in the backfield.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 11:22 PM

I had posted earlier that if he were traded immediately, the $9.6 million would hit in 2012. From your post and other readings, I now see that I was incorrect. The $9.6 hits in 2013 as you correctly point out.

Let's say they don't trade him tomorrow. As I understand it, we could cut him as early as the start of the league year in March, designate him a June 1st cut, and split the acceleration into two years ($3.2 million in 2013, and $6.4 million in 2014). As his salary next year would be $4, 750,000, we could generate some cap savings for next year should he be cut. The net impact in 2014 would be about $700,000 negative based on the info I have.

Does all this look correct?

yeah, they could do that (push '14 and '15's signing bonus proration into '14).
His total hit for '13 would be the $3.2 mil that's going to count regardless, and no salary (savings $5 mil), '14 would carry the total $6.4 mil left. (I have him down for $5.75 mil + 250K bonus in 2014, all of it saved).


That's not an unreasonable way to do it - if you believe DW is one of the one or two must-cut players and that lightens the load a bit. IF the next GM really wants to slash and burn (part of me really hopes not), then it wouldn't cost that much to let him go all on next year and move a different contract or two back to '14.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 11:25 PM

After today, I don't see a trade happening. Insert your favorite "coach speak" cliche as the reason why he wasn't dealt.


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