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Jim Harbaugh will not be available. How about David Shaw ?

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Might be a reach, but I'd like to see Chip Kelly with this offense.

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Bring in Shaw. If not, I would take him as our OC. The guy preaches a good passing game with a strong running game. Exactly what we need right now. I'm all for it. I'm interested in any offensive minded coach.

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Yeah, I mean I have zero doubt that Kelly can coach a football team. He's an offensive genius, but is he a little bit too creative for the NFL? This might be way off base here (I don't know much about the guy), but his offense seems a lot like Chud imo. Doesn't he run a read option type of offense as well? All I know is that the offense he runs is strictly a college offense. Seems like his entire offense is based on having faster/quicker players and spreading everyone out, and I'm just not sure if that'd work at all in the NFL (although he obviously wouldn't run the same offense in the NFL). I wouldn't be against hiring Kelly, but I definitely have big reservations about it.

being creative isn't the problem.

being limited is the problem chud is having. he had become as predictable as jeff davidson.

read option is a good option to use....but only if it is a small part of a much more expanded playbook and playcalling.

spread offense works in the NFL, though. it's been working for years and most of the most prolific offenses have been using it and it's becoming more widespread.

chip kelly's offense would work...but him as a NFL HC wouldn't because he doesn't have any NFL experience.

i don't have a problem with him coming from the college ranks and the fact that he has HC experience puts him on pretty much equal level with any NFL coordinators w/o HC experience, but the fact he has no NFL exp. as a player or a coach is a huge red flag and he'd have to have a strong NFL presence on the rest of the coaching staff...including OC, DC, and Asst. HC.

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being creative isn't the problem.

being limited is the problem chud is having. he had become as predictable as jeff davidson.

read option is a good option to use....but only if it is a small part of a much more expanded playbook and playcalling.

spread offense works in the NFL, though. it's been working for years and most of the most prolific offenses have been using it and it's becoming more widespread.

chip kelly's offense would work...but him as a NFL HC wouldn't because he doesn't have any NFL experience.

i don't have a problem with him coming from the college ranks and the fact that he has HC experience puts him on pretty much equal level with any NFL coordinators w/o HC experience, but the fact he has no NFL exp. as a player or a coach is a huge red flag and he'd have to have a strong NFL presence on the rest of the coaching staff...including OC, DC, and Asst. HC.

Don't get me wrong, I love the spread offense. I'm not disputing that it doesn't work. What I am mostly concerned about is his offense being a spread rushing attack type of offense that is reliant on being much faster/quicker than the defense. Call me out if I am wrong (I don't watch alot of Oregon games), but that's what his offense seems like to me. You are 100% right about him having no NFL experience being a big red flag though. I'm not a huge fan of him really... I like Shaw much better, although he isn't exactly proven yet.

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Don't get me wrong, I love the spread offense. I'm not disputing that it doesn't work. What I am mostly concerned about is his offense being a spread rushing attack type of offense that is reliant on being much faster/quicker than the defense. Call me out if I am wrong (I don't watch alot of Oregon games), but that's what his offense seems like to me. You are 100% right about him having no NFL experience being a big red flag though.

i think that's fine.

in fact i wish we were a lot faster paced than we are.

people may laugh at this, but i would love to have gus mahlzahn running the offense with cam again. he found the best way to utilize cam's abilities because he really does tailor his offense around his personnel, but he's also very innovative but uses much of the same basic principles used by NFL offenses. the thing that i loved most about what he did, though, is his no huddle, hurry up offense. the key for it was snapping the ball no more than 5 seconds after the spot on every down. this wears down defenses, taking away chances for them to adjust to what's going on and creates a whole lot of opportunity for the offense.

i don't really have a dog in this fight as to who we hire after rivera, but i don't want it to be a predictable offense or defense and i'd rather them be innovative to make it difficult for the league to adjust to. the key, though, is going to be in adaptability and variety.

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i think that's fine.

in fact i wish we were a lot faster paced than we are.

people may laugh at this, but i would love to have gus mahlzahn running the offense with cam again. he found the best way to utilize cam's abilities because he really does tailor his offense around his personnel, but he's also very innovative but uses much of the same basic principles used by NFL offenses. the thing that i loved most about what he did, though, is his no huddle, hurry up offense. the key for it was snapping the ball no more than 5 seconds after the spot on every down. this wears down defenses, taking away chances for them to adjust to what's going on and creates a whole lot of opportunity for the offense.

i don't really have a dog in this fight as to who we hire after rivera, but i don't want it to be a predictable offense or defense and i'd rather them be innovative to make it difficult for the league to adjust to. the key, though, is going to be in adaptability and variety.

I have long been a huge fan of Gus Malzahn. I would fully endorse him as the OC. From my understanding he also was the one responsible for recruiting Cam. I'd imagine that he has a great relationship with Cam and would be able to put Cam in a position to succeed... and generally when the QB succeeds, the team succeeds.

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I love the "no coordinators" "no college coaches" argument

How do people get head coaching jobs?!? Are they born into the position??? No they work there way up the ranks.

If an ex-head coach is available, there is a reason. He must have been passed over for numerous head coaching jobs prior. Just like Rivera was. so lets not go down that road again

*Shaw would be a great HC here

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If you really think about it their really isn't that man guys to look at for head coach.

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I love the "no coordinators" "no college coaches" argument

How do people get head coaching jobs?!? Are they born into the position??? No they work there way up the ranks.

If an ex-head coach is available, there is a reason. He must have been passed over for numerous head coaching jobs prior. Just like Rivera was. so lets not go down that road again

*Shaw would be a great HC here

the problem i have is the learning curve in the game management department.

i was fine with it when we hired rivera. i don't think we have that luxury anymore. whoever comes in has to be able to affect the team in a positive way right away. they have to come in knowing what to do rather than trying to figure it out on the way. just my opinion, but i think this team needs to be on the fast track for success and that will likely involve someone that doesn't have to learn or grow into the HC job.

to get one that is really worth hiring JR will probably have to spend some serious $$ as well.

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Rivera's problem was just stupid coaching. Or it could be he just isn't cut out to be a head coach. For some reason, every team in the league saw this except us. David Shaw has command over his team. He's also played a key role in Andrew Luck's development, and now it looks like he's done the same with Nunez. If there is one guy who capatilizes in teaching QBs with athletic ability to be pocket passers, its David Shaw. I think if we could get him, be HC or OC, our team would improve a thousand percent. Especially Cam.

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