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#16 stirs

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 06:33 PM

If NE gave a 4th for Taquib Alib's sorry butt, what do you think the Panthers turned down?

What if we find out the FO turned down a second rounder? What would be your reaction?

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 06:36 PM

Good. Let the NEW gm make calls on assets NOT Ron Rivera. No one needs to be doing a damn thing till a hire is made

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 06:38 PM

I never thought there would be a deal unless some team just offered something ludicris which wasnt happening. From what I understood making a trade with the type of front loaded signing bonuses our players got would have resulted in the Panthers going over the cap now and having to cut other players or restructure other contracts. That was just not happening.

Getting rid of a player like D'Angelo, if its going to happen... would most likely occur at draft time.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 06:47 PM

I'm glad DeAngelo is still here. Getting rid of him would have been a huge mistake.

Historically, DWill has the second highest average per carry in history for a back with more than 1,500 carries. He's second to Jim Brown and one spot in front of Barry Sanders. He's not a deadweight running back.

His production fell only when we picked up a new offensive coordinator who was wedded to running the read-option offense. This type of offense tends to kill speed and power running backs due to the hand-off delay that causes them to lose rhythm in an effort to give a mobile quarterback an opening.

It worked great overall for padding Newton's stats, and got us to six wins. This year, well, you see the results. Has it been bad for our running backs in general beyond DWill? If you haven't noticed, Stewie isn't exactly setting the field on fire, either. And he's another first class running back. Tolbert? Ehhhh, not living up to expectations either.

Surely all three of these guys, who all have low mileage for their years of service, didn't all of a sudden drink a big old bottle of suck did they?

This is a two running back league nowadays. You keep rotating backs in an out, keeping one fresh and ready to bust through the defense, or you find one who's hot on that day. Running backs also get hurt, a lot. Just look around the league and you'll see it. You have to have basically two first tier guys or your team is dead in the water.

Trade DWill? Chances are you won't find another one as good in the next two years. And those draft picks you get might just get you, well, nothing.

Fixing this team won't be done by getting rid of Williams or Smith. It will start, however, with playing professional football and putting away the sandlot plays we've been running.

I always think when I hear posts like the original one here, "These are the same idiots who claim Chris Gamble sucks because he doesn't get interceptions." Just like they don't look at the fact that he basically shuts down half the field and keeps a quarterback from throwing that direction except in extreme circumstances. Too many people look at fantasy football statistics and think that's football.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 06:48 PM

The problem never was DWill. Our offensive problems are 98% Chud's fault. It's amazing people don't see this.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 06:49 PM

i couldnt imagine a trade that would realistically have happened that would have made our team better.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 07:31 PM

No trade was going to make us better this year or next year. A trade would be unbelievably stupid. How about we keep what we got and hire someone that knows what hes doing and let him decide. I dont want rivera or beane making any decisions that effect this teams future. Anyone who does/did is an absolute FOOL!!!

No GM and a coach that is on his way out making decisions. Realistically looking at this issue. Did DeAngelo go from five yards per carry to anemic in one season or is the coaching staff not utilizing his talent the way they should be? I will take the latter over the former. Too many fans have a short term memory. We lost the NFC Championship against Seattle because our depth at running back sucked. Some of these guys want to go to one top tier RB and scrubs behind him. We lose Stewart who are we going to have at RB? Tolbert?? Poole? If we were going to let Williams go we should have kept Goodson. I thank god the Huddle isn't in charge of personnel moves because our team would look like something out of Madden .

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 09:05 PM

so you've never done anything or tried to do something and not have anything to show for it in the end?


In this case it's either they got it done, or they didn't get it done...

Clearly they failed to get something done lol

Means they didn't do anything before the deadline. They made 0 moves

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 09:06 PM

No GM and a coach that is on his way out making decisions. Realistically looking at this issue. Did DeAngelo go from five yards per carry to anemic in one season or is the coaching staff not utilizing his talent the way they should be? I will take the latter over the former. Too many fans have a short term memory. We lost the NFC Championship against Seattle because our depth at running back sucked. Some of these guys want to go to one top tier RB and scrubs behind him. We lose Stewart who are we going to have at RB? Tolbert?? Poole? If we were going to let Williams go we should have kept Goodson. I thank god the Huddle isn't in charge of personnel moves because our team would look like something out of Madden .


You don't know how good my Madden team is though

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 09:17 PM

So you're gonna cry about and make a thread bc we couldn't get a "6th rd" today. Wow, a 6th is really going to make us better right?

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 09:20 PM

you think an intramural head coach and an interim general manager should be handling multimillion dollar contracts?

^^^^^^this.

need to look at as the clowns runing the show until the real GM and coach is brought in did nothing further to f*ck up the team contractually further or screw us out of any potential draft picks.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 09:21 PM

i couldnt imagine a trade that would realistically have happened that would have made our team better.


You clearly don't play enough Madden.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 09:41 PM

trades are typically zero-sum moves

even more typically, one team trades away a known commodity for future unknown potential. And one team mortgages the future to win now.

Neither sounds very smart to me right now.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 09:44 PM

It takes two to tango.

Just sayin.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 10:30 AM

I'm glad DeAngelo is still here. Getting rid of him would have been a huge mistake.

Historically, DWill has the second highest average per carry in history for a back with more than 1,500 carries. He's second to Jim Brown and one spot in front of Barry Sanders. He's not a deadweight running back.

His production fell only when we picked up a new offensive coordinator who was wedded to running the read-option offense. This type of offense tends to kill speed and power running backs due to the hand-off delay that causes them to lose rhythm in an effort to give a mobile quarterback an opening.

It worked great overall for padding Newton's stats, and got us to six wins. This year, well, you see the results. Has it been bad for our running backs in general beyond DWill? If you haven't noticed, Stewie isn't exactly setting the field on fire, either. And he's another first class running back. Tolbert? Ehhhh, not living up to expectations either.

Surely all three of these guys, who all have low mileage for their years of service, didn't all of a sudden drink a big old bottle of suck did they?

This is a two running back league nowadays. You keep rotating backs in an out, keeping one fresh and ready to bust through the defense, or you find one who's hot on that day. Running backs also get hurt, a lot. Just look around the league and you'll see it. You have to have basically two first tier guys or your team is dead in the water.

Trade DWill? Chances are you won't find another one as good in the next two years. And those draft picks you get might just get you, well, nothing.

Fixing this team won't be done by getting rid of Williams or Smith. It will start, however, with playing professional football and putting away the sandlot plays we've been running.

I always think when I hear posts like the original one here, "These are the same idiots who claim Chris Gamble sucks because he doesn't get interceptions." Just like they don't look at the fact that he basically shuts down half the field and keeps a quarterback from throwing that direction except in extreme circumstances. Too many people look at fantasy football statistics and think that's football.


I got bored after the second line of rambling and stopped reading.

I'll make it short and sweet,

You quoted his past performance. What is he doing now?

If hes so good. Why is he 2nd string?

And is a good business to pay a 2nd string RB 43 million?


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