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#37 jtnc

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 01:07 AM

Then speak what you mean.....

It's not.difficult.


Or maybe you could actually comprehend what he meant.....

It isn't that difficult.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 01:11 AM

Amazing, that y'all are being thw.most judgemental,.without offering much substance.

Maybe the morning crew has more to offer.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 01:25 AM

Many do not understand why this team only seems to really buckle down and get serious when we've already dug a hole so deep we can't get out of it.


This^

I am happy that they are still fighting for any wins they can get, so the least I can do is support their efforts to improve. I'm puzzled as to why it always seems to take the Panthers longer to "put it all together" than many of the other teams.

Would the Panthers do better to conduct preseason training at an indoor training facility rather than continuing to train in the hot SC summer sun? We seem to almost always start out slow and experience a lot of season ending injuries early on. Could it be in part due to the extreme preseason training conditions having a negative effect on the players?

Could be grasping at straws here, but it does seem like a definate pattern.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 01:28 AM

This^

I am happy that they are still fighting for any wins they can get, so the least I can do is support their efforts to improve. I'm puzzled as to why it always seems to take the Panthers longer to "put it all together" than many of the other teams.

Would the Panthers do better at an indoor training facility than continuing to train in the hot SC summer sun? We seem to start out slow almost every year and experience a lot of season ending injuries early on. Could it be in part due to the extreme preseason training conditions?

Could be grasping at straws, but it does seem like a pattern.

it's more mental/execution IMO.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 01:36 AM

Pantherclaw needs to be taken into the back room and spanked by the huddle's belt for this stupid thread

Paint that back porch red boy yerhaw

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 01:40 AM

it's more mental/execution IMO.


Yeah, agreed, but we seem to have a lot of early season ending injuries and we're slow getting out of the gate regardless of who the coaches or players are almost every year.

I am pretty sure I'm just getting desperate for answers at this point.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 01:49 AM

it's more mental/execution IMO.

No.

The players tend to execute their flawed gameplans flawlessly.

One example: The soft zone coverage against the Bears was a direct response to what happened at the end of the Falcons game. Both losses, but only against the Falcons can a player be blamed. Against the Bears, they played a perfect soft zone. Against the Seahawks, the Seahawks defense knew exactly what the Panthers would run; hell, my seats were in the west endzone (opposite side of the field) and I knew what the Panthers were going to do. The fact that Hartsock even got open on the play is a small miracle in itself.

The issue is coaching. How many times have we left points on the field at the end of the first half? How many times has the opposing kicker kicked the game winning fieldgoal while we still had timeouts? How many times have we needed to kill some clock, but call a pass play on third and short? All of these stupid decisions come back to haunt us every week. Ron Rivera doesn't have the killer instinct to be a successful head coach in the NFL.

The players have talent. Everybody knows they have talent. Even the contenders don't sleep on the bottom dwellers in the NFL. Every team is full of talent. But not every team utilizes its talent. The Panthers are one of those teams.

But as far as heat and injuries in the preseason - every team has them. Some more serious than others (Korey Stringer), but proper acclimatization can also fall on the coaches.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 02:20 AM

Pantherclaw needs to be taken into the back room and spanked by the huddle's belt for this stupid thread

Paint that back porch red boy yerhaw

bring it...or shut the fug up tough guy

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 02:22 AM

No.

The players tend to execute their flawed gameplans flawlessly.

One example: The soft zone coverage against the Bears was a direct response to what happened at the end of the Falcons game. Both losses, but only against the Falcons can a player be blamed. Against the Bears, they played a perfect soft zone. Against the Seahawks, the Seahawks defense knew exactly what the Panthers would run; hell, my seats were in the west endzone (opposite side of the field) and I knew what the Panthers were going to do. The fact that Hartsock even got open on the play is a small miracle in itself.

The issue is coaching. How many times have we left points on the field at the end of the first half? How many times has the opposing kicker kicked the game winning fieldgoal while we still had timeouts? How many times have we needed to kill some clock, but call a pass play on third and short? All of these stupid decisions come back to haunt us every week. Ron Rivera doesn't have the killer instinct to be a successful head coach in the NFL.

The players have talent. Everybody knows they have talent. Even the contenders don't sleep on the bottom dwellers in the NFL. Every team is full of talent. But not every team utilizes its talent. The Panthers are one of those teams.

But as far as heat and injuries in the preseason - every team has them. Some more serious than others (Korey Stringer), but proper acclimatization can also fall on the coaches.

dispite the coaching the team has been in position to win each of the last three games.

Lay that on coaching if uou want... Ive watch enough replays of the games to know otherwise.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 02:48 AM

This is actually a legit thread OP. I think there is also a lot of talent on this team, I think the problem is the player's failure to execute makes every game really, really tight, and then we lose and it magnifies the coaching mistakes and gaffes. That's why people are pissed at the coaches.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 04:37 AM

My expectations for the season was 8-8.My expectations for the defense given our roster was sitting around 15th in the league where is right where we are.My expectations for the offense was to be where it was last year but I was concerned about not signing Shockey.

My disappointment fall with all coaches, Cam, and the OL.

The bright side if there is one is with the development in our young cbs,,Luke,Alexander.
I think the aspect that took everyone by surprise is the coaching.I know I had much higher expectations especially on offense.The positive thing we are a few players short of being decent but this may not happen until we upgrade our coaching staff

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 05:11 AM

OP, agree with much of what you said. Though, I can't bring myself to applaud the efforts of a 1-6 team when they could easily be 5-2.

I agree that vets haven't done a great job taking over games this year. Not sure why guys that have been NFL stars for years, have suddenly declined. I can only come up with coaching. Either the coaches aren't cutting it (putting them in the best position to succeed), or we're not as talented as we thought we were. And that's not just fans. The team thought they were talented enough to be SB contenders early on this season. Were they this far off?

The real reason for the current chaos... Unfortunately, the Panthers allowed a first time HC with a defensive background, to come in with a rookie QB. It was a recipe for disaster from the beginning, and will be used an example to GMs for years to come. Once we teach our young star QB how to finish games, this team will be perennial contenders. I'm not sure Rivera can do that. I think he'd be more successful if he were at Denver.

It's not how you start, it's how you finish.