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At the same time as female high school swim teams...

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I understand that she may feel uncomfortable using the men's lockerroom, but where do her rights stop and the rights of these girls start?

Should high school girls be forced to use the same lockerroom as this transgendered person who has male anatomy on display in front of them?

Wouldn't a better policy be for her to use a separate lockerroom than the men and women in this situation?

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Had this issue at company I worked for.

HR had to "meet" with all managers to alert of situation and to handle with kid gloves. Also, seperate bathroom during the 2 year psychological evaluation where they are still a male, but dress/act like a female. Post-plumbing change...uses women's bathroom.

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Disgusting. Just my opinion.
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Really brings into focus just how much the idea that a room where people with one set of biological equipment can forgo any and all public decency reflects the mores of bygone generations.

The solution is really quite simple, don't allow people to use the facilities who are not properly covered up. Install basic shower & toilet stalls and provide simple changing areas and the need for separate locker rooms goes away.

This isn't the 50s anymore and the idea that we can accommodate everyone by attempting to shoehorn everyone into an anachronistic view of gender identity borders on stupidity.



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And based on what Ive read in the linked articles I thing the fellow should be banned from using the ladies facilities and the facilities should face charges for failing to address what amounts to ongoing indecent exposure problem.

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Visiting Belgium...I was in the men's room doing my thing at a urinal, but noticed the women's was being cleaned when I was walking in mine. Standing there doin my thing and a woman just walks in and goes into a stall behind me. Caught me off guard because that just doesn't happen in the US. Interupted flow for a minute...but then carried on.

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[quote name='g5jamz' timestamp='1351867935' post='1976114']
Visiting Belgium...I was in the men's room doing my thing at a urinal, but noticed the women's was being cleaned when I was walking in mine. Standing there doin my thing and a woman just walks in and goes into a stall behind me. Caught me off guard because that just doesn't happen in the US. Interupted flow for a minute...but then carried on.
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did she fart while see was pissing?

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[quote name='2jakefansinva' timestamp='1351875089' post='1976277']

did she fart while see was pissing?
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Some women look like they've never farted...she looked like one of them.

I didn't challenge her to battles**ts though.

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I'll never understand the right wing obsession with locker rooms. They were the center of their argument about Don't Ask Don't Tell, too, as if locker rooms are the end all of the human experience.

Why do we even still have them? Is privacy stall technology really so far past us?

Gee, If only there was a way where people could change for athletic events without having to see other people's genitals.

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[quote name='rodeo' timestamp='1351880183' post='1976393']
[b]I'll never understand the right wing obsession with locker rooms.[/b] They were the center of their argument about Don't Ask Don't Tell, too, as if locker rooms are the end all of the human experience.

Why do we even still have them? Is privacy stall technology really so far past us?

Gee, If only there was a way where people could change for athletic events without having to see other people's genitals.
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Not sure what this has to do with the topic...

Me personally, idc if a guy (straight or gay), a transgender, or a woman wants to look at my junk... doesn't bother me at all. Doesn't bother me to see other guys, (gay, straight, trans, whatever) or women's junk... couldn't care less either way. I'm an adult, I can leave, look away, whatever...

Do you not see any problem with an anatomical male being nude in the presence of multiple high school and younger aged girls, regardless of whether that person is mentally a woman?

I'm not advocating taking away her rights, but I am saying use some damned common sense about the situation.

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[quote name='nc_biscuit' timestamp='1351880492' post='1976401']
[b]Do you not see any problem[/b] with an anatomical male being nude in the presence of multiple high school and younger aged girls, regardless of whether that person is mentally a woman?

I'm not advocating taking away her rights, but I am saying use some damned common sense about the situation.
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I said the opposite of that. Get rid of locker rooms, problem solved. We don't make people poo in front of people, why do locker rooms not have a row of shower/changing privacy stalls? Why is that so complicated?

This is like the 5th thread where we've had some right winger clutching his pearls in outrage over someone who didn't fit proper gender roles going to a locker room. It's an [i]extremely[/i] easy fix, but we seem more content to clutch our pearls as a society than fix it.
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Who's in outrage?

Idk why lockerrooms don't have private changing facilities? I don't design them.

The lockerroom there is designed how it's designed... they have to deal with it or re-do it... they have chosen instead to put the HS girls in a separate area and let the transgendered lady continue on as is. I'm not outraged, but it doesn't seem like the best way to handle the situation. Apparently the transgendered lady was not just in the lockerroom naked, but also the attached sauna... so they would either have to completely revise their facilities to accommodate this one person. Regardless of her being transgendered, that's just not right.

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In Japan they have some unisex bathrooms. These things are all about your life experiences. Some guys don't like using urinals and consider them barbaric. Some guys even sit when they urinate.

It's a bit unfair to expect people to accept sudden changes in these niceties of life. To ask girls to use a restroom men do tomorrow would be a minor injustice. But if it gradually happened over decades there wouldn't be an issue.

But in today's western societies we have a consistent problem where the rights of the minority exceed the rights of the majority. This is caused by the individuals in the minority being catered to and developing large egos. In a better society the minority would quietly suffer. If you're one person being inconvenienced, yes, that's unfortunate, but you have to be selfless and have humility. Expecting everyone else to suffer instead is incredibly selfish and arrogant.

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[quote name='sylvianlight' timestamp='1351889153' post='1976534']
In Japan they have some unisex bathrooms. These things are all about your life experiences. Some guys don't like using urinals and consider them barbaric. Some guys even sit when they urinate.

It's a bit unfair to expect people to accept sudden changes in these niceties of life. To ask girls to use a restroom men do tomorrow would be a minor injustice. But if it gradually happened over decades there wouldn't be an issue.

But in today's western societies we have a consistent problem where the rights of the minority exceed the rights of the majority. This is caused by the individuals in the minority being catered to and developing large egos. In a better society the minority would quietly suffer. If you're one person being inconvenienced, yes, that's unfortunate, but you have to be selfless and have humility. Expecting everyone else to suffer instead is incredibly selfish and arrogant.
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you realize social repression doesn't actually make people happier, it just makes them appear happier right?

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Well boys, we made a giant room. That's about as far as we can take locker room technology. Now let's watch each other jack it in the shower. Don't let any gays in though

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[quote]In a better society the minority would quietly suffer.[/quote]

oh

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It is this simple...

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i wonder if this person is a double major?

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[quote name='rodeo' timestamp='1351910024' post='1976907']
Well boys, we made a giant room. That's about as far as we can take locker room technology. Now let's watch each other jack it in the shower. Don't let any gays in though
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Tell that to the Dowd Y in Charlotte.

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[quote name='rodeo' timestamp='1351880706' post='1976406']


I said the opposite of that. Get rid of locker rooms, problem solved. We don't make people poo in front of people, why do locker rooms not have a row of shower/changing privacy stalls? Why is that so complicated?

This is like the 5th thread where we've had some right winger clutching his pearls in outrage over someone who didn't fit proper gender roles going to a locker room. It's an [i]extremely[/i] easy fix, but we seem more content to clutch our pearls as a society than fix it.
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Well, duh... It's a state college. Leave it to public funding to leave out privacy stalls.

I'm joking. I agree with you for once.

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Private stalls don't work for locker rooms. A lot of times, you're using them coming and going from large group activities. It's just not feasible to have everyone lined up waiting to shower/change at a stall. It would be much more inconvenient than trying to use a bathroom at half-time at a sold out sporting event.

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[quote name='King' timestamp='1352005294' post='1977890']
Private stalls don't work for locker rooms. [b]A lot of times[/b], you're using them coming and going from large group activities. It's just not feasible to have everyone lined up waiting to shower/change at a stall. It would be much more inconvenient than trying to use a bathroom at half-time at a sold out sporting event.
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And the other times?

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[quote name='rodeo' timestamp='1352005576' post='1977898']
And the other times?
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The other times, it would work fine.

But it would be a nightmare getting everyone in/out of a practice/game in a timely manner. Especially in locker rooms on a high school scale.

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I can't remember what it was, but I clearly remember a scene in a movie with a big shower room with individual stalls divided up and it looked like it would work just fine.

The point is, if people have a problem with something, then they can come up with a solution. If it's just bitching with no solution offered or attempted, then what exactly is the point? "Can you believe there is a transgender in the locker room? Outrageous! Well anyways, on to the next thing to bitch about."

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[quote name='rodeo' timestamp='1352006497' post='1977907']
I can't remember what it was, but I clearly remember a scene in a movie with a big shower room with individual stalls divided up and it looked like it would work just fine.

The point is, if people have a problem with something, then they can come up with a solution. If it's just bitching with no solution offered or attempted, then what exactly is the point? "Can you believe there is a transgender in the locker room? Outrageous! Well anyways, on to the next thing to bitch about."
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The only thing to take home from this is that you can't please all of the people all of the time.

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