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#16 lightsout

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 12:53 PM

One other point...we still are in the shotgun way too much. It would be great to see us run no more than 60% of our plays out of the gun. Yes, that's still a high number, but it would be a 15 to 20% reduction from what we have been doing.




Agreed. It seems like Chud just doesn't trust the players to execute under center, and I'm not really sure why. Cam isn't AS comfortable handing off from under center, but hell, he hardly does it. Anybody would be awkward in doing it if they NEVER do it. That gets fixed in practice. You don't REALLY know how to do something until you do it 1,000 times. Rep that poo in practice and run it in the game. The success of the offense and the team depends on it.

Either all of that....or Chud really is just THAT dumb.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 12:58 PM

Agreed. It seems like Chud just doesn't trust the players to execute under center, and I'm not really sure why. Cam isn't AS comfortable handing off from under center, but hell, he hardly does it. Anybody would be awkward in doing it if they NEVER do it. That gets fixed in practice. You don't REALLY know how to do something until you do it 1,000 times. Rep that poo in practice and run it in the game. The success of the offense and the team depends on it.

Either all of that....or Chud really is just THAT dumb.


I do remember Delhomme saying one time that it was easier to see and read the defense when he was in the shotgun rather than under center. Maybe it's the same for Cam.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 01:01 PM

I do remember Delhomme saying one time that it was easier to see and read the defense when he was in the shotgun rather than under center. Maybe it's the same for Cam.



Well, that's true for a lot (maybe even most) QBs. You're back further, you're upright, so it makes sense that you can see it all better. However, Jake was still under center most of the game, and he should have been. I don't see any good enough reason to keep Cam in the shotgun other than stubbornness.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 01:25 PM

Well, that's true for a lot (maybe even most) QBs. You're back further, you're upright, so it makes sense that you can see it all better. However, Jake was still under center most of the game, and he should have been. I don't see any good enough reason to keep Cam in the shotgun other than stubbornness.


Seasoned vets like Manning and Brady can play out of the gun at a high % because those guys are so good they can pass successfully even when the opposing D knows a pass is coming.

In our case, we're trying to run pretty much our whole offense out of the gun, and doing so with an inexperienced QB. Most RB's will tell you they run better out of an I formation rather than running from the gun, so it hurts our run game and that in turn keeps the whole offense less efficient.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 01:27 PM

I do remember Delhomme saying one time that it was easier to see and read the defense when he was in the shotgun rather than under center. Maybe it's the same for Cam.

it's the same for pretty much all QBs, which is why most of them, esp the best ones, are taking so many of their snaps from the shotgun and that's something that has been a growing trend for several years now.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 01:34 PM

it's the same for pretty much all QBs, which is why most of them, esp the best ones, are taking so many of their snaps from the shotgun and that's something that has been a growing trend for several years now.


The difference is, we've been over the top. Going into the Chicago game, we had taken something like 83% of our snaps out of the gun year to date. That is just too much.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 01:41 PM

The difference is, we've been over the top. Going into the Chicago game, we had taken something like 83% of our snaps out of the gun year to date. That is just too much.

agreed there.

chud's problem is that he got stuck in a rut. even the dreaded read option itself isn't all that bad of a play call. the problem is running it so much.

it's just as bad as jeff davidson's predictable offense.


i think that chud's playbook is great. i just wish he would use more of it.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 02:50 PM

Sticking to the run isn't the solution, being balanced and being able to run when we want to is the answer. As long as we are putting ourselves in manageable third down situations and converting on third and short to medium we would be fine. Looking at attempts under 29 or other purely number stats without context makes little sense. For example running all day against a team that is scheming to take away the run makes little sense and won't end with a victory. Likewise passing on third and long rarely ends up being a good thing. Football is about one on one matchups, putting players in favorable matchups and players making big plays in key situations. If you look at our losses, the biggest factor has been players not making plays and failing to step up at critical times.


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