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#1 TonyN

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 08:56 PM

No worse than many others.

Remove Cam Newton from last years rushing stats:
The Panthers (other than Newton) averaged 5.3 yards per attempt. Good. Damn Good. Very Damn Good. Best in the League good...even without Newton's rushes and scrambles figured in.

Fast forward to this year.
Assume that Cam Newton has made the correct read in every situation and given the ball to a RB.
Remove his scrambles.
In short, subtract his rushing stats completely and the Panthers are averaging 3.7 yards per attempt.
Bad. Very Bad. BUT no worse than:

Arizona 3.5
Dallas 3.6
N.O. 3.7
Oak 3.7
Miami 3.7
G.B. 3.7
Pitts 3.7
Jax 3.8
Atl 3.8

It is important to remember that when you line up in the shotgun and don't run the zone read...

You are passing out of the shotgun.

Nothing fundamentally changes within the passing game at that point.

You are simply passing out of the shotgun like every other team that passes out of the shotgun.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 09:35 PM

No worse than many others.

Remove Cam Newton from last years rushing stats:
The Panthers (other than Newton) averaged 5.3 yards per attempt. Good. Damn Good. Very Damn Good. Best in the League good...even without Newton's rushes and scrambles figured in.

Fast forward to this year.
Assume that Cam Newton has made the correct read in every situation and given the ball to a RB.
Remove his scrambles.
In short, subtract his rushing stats completely and the Panthers are averaging 3.7 yards per attempt.
Bad. Very Bad. BUT no worse than:

Arizona 3.5
Dallas 3.6
N.O. 3.7
Oak 3.7
Miami 3.7
G.B. 3.7
Pitts 3.7
Jax 3.8
Atl 3.8

It is important to remember that when you line up in the shotgun and don't run the zone read...

You are passing out of the shotgun.

Nothing fundamentally changes within the passing game at that point.

You are simply passing out of the shotgun like every other team that passes out of the shotgun.


Maybe I'm dense but the point you are trying to make eludes me.

#3 TonyN

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 09:54 PM

Maybe I'm dense but the point you are trying to make eludes me.



The contention of many people is that Carolina has struggled in the passing game because they are constantly behind the 8 ball due to their inability to run effectively.

I actually agree with this to a degree. The Panthers were simply a fantastic running team last year...even discounting Newton's wonderful contributions. And it helped their passing attack considerably.

This year, with the zone read as their base offense, Carolina has struggled to run consistantly, putting them in more 2nd and 3rd and long situations and affecting the passing game.

My point is simply that many teams struggle to run the ball effectively and are constantly in those type of situations.

They are simply able to execute their way out of it.

Interestingly, last year the team with the lowest average per carry in the NFL???

The New York Giants.

Kind of shocking, actually.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 10:00 PM

The Panthers didn't run the read option nearly as much last year, as they have this year.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 10:05 PM

Maybe I'm dense but the point you are trying to make eludes me.


Why am I not surprised?

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 10:06 PM

I'm a BIG fan of TonyN... Some of the most observant posts in the past year easily

#7 TonyN

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 10:10 PM

I'm a BIG fan of TonyN... Some of the most observant posts in the past year easily


Thanx much.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 10:10 PM

Interestingly, last year the team with the lowest average per carry in the NFL???

The New York Giants.

Kind of shocking, actually.


Not really considering the ways in which the giants won last year which was coming from behind (having to pass). I know this doesn't necessarily affect the average, but if they were down in the first place it was likely due to their inability to get the ground game going.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 10:12 PM

Fug all this and this Zone Read BS.
Eventually someone will cheap shot Cam running this krap ala Bill Romanowski/Scott Fujita.
These fuggers just cant resist a QB in the open field.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 10:13 PM

I'm a BIG fan of TonyN... Some of the most observant posts in the past year easily


LOL!

This is almost as bad as the comment about Conte having to live off of 5K for a week...

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 10:20 PM

Not really considering the ways in which the giants won last year which was coming from behind (having to pass). I know this doesn't necessarily affect the average, but if they were down in the first place it was likely due to their inability to get the ground game going.


The Giants have a quarterback who can execute them out of ANYTHING

#12 TruCatzFan

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 10:21 PM

LOL!

This is almost as bad as the comment about Conte having to live off of 5K for a week...


Really, cause I don't ever recall you doing an ounce of research for any single one of your posts. This guy put in some work and educated fools.

Btw, GO CANES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 10:26 PM

Really, cause I don't ever recall you doing an ounce of research for any single one of your posts. This guy put in some work and educated fools.

Btw, GO CANES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


http://www.carolinah...hort-dt-purdue/

There's my last thread posted with 'actual' research, just to shut you up.

You must have missed this trolls threads the past couple of weeks, he's just trying to save face now.

BTW, how does 1-7 feel in fantasy bruh?

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 10:31 PM

The Giants have a quarterback who can execute them out of ANYTHING


Agreed. I think someone needs to sit down and educate Cam on film watching. Has anyone ever seen him make an adjustment on the fly due to defensive looks? I'm a huge Cam fan, but when he makes the wrong choice on the zone read (pulling when the BS-DE sits/ handing off when the BS-DE crashes), it makes me question his football IQ.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 10:55 PM

Agreed. I think someone needs to sit down and educate Cam on film watching. Has anyone ever seen him make an adjustment on the fly due to defensive looks? I'm a huge Cam fan, but when he makes the wrong choice on the zone read (pulling when the DE crashes/ handing off when the DE sits), it makes me question his football IQ.

Obvious TonyN alt account, 'Gucci Mane' REALLY?


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