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The zone read has made Carolina a bad running team, but...

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No worse than many others.

Remove Cam Newton from last years rushing stats:
The Panthers (other than Newton) averaged 5.3 yards per attempt. Good. Damn Good. Very Damn Good. Best in the League good...even without Newton's rushes and scrambles figured in.

Fast forward to this year.
Assume that Cam Newton has made the correct read in every situation and given the ball to a RB.
Remove his scrambles.
In short, subtract his rushing stats completely and the Panthers are averaging 3.7 yards per attempt.
Bad. Very Bad. BUT no worse than:

Arizona 3.5
Dallas 3.6
N.O. 3.7
Oak 3.7
Miami 3.7
G.B. 3.7
Pitts 3.7
Jax 3.8
Atl 3.8

It is important to remember that when you line up in the shotgun and don't run the zone read...

You are passing out of the shotgun.

Nothing fundamentally changes within the passing game at that point.

You are simply passing out of the shotgun like every other team that passes out of the shotgun.
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[quote name='TonyN' timestamp='1351907761' post='1976882']
No worse than many others.

Remove Cam Newton from last years rushing stats:
The Panthers (other than Newton) averaged 5.3 yards per attempt. Good. Damn Good. Very Damn Good. Best in the League good...even without Newton's rushes and scrambles figured in.

Fast forward to this year.
Assume that Cam Newton has made the correct read in every situation and given the ball to a RB.
Remove his scrambles.
In short, subtract his rushing stats completely and the Panthers are averaging 3.7 yards per attempt.
Bad. Very Bad. BUT no worse than:

Arizona 3.5
Dallas 3.6
N.O. 3.7
Oak 3.7
Miami 3.7
G.B. 3.7
Pitts 3.7
Jax 3.8
Atl 3.8

It is important to remember that when you line up in the shotgun and don't run the zone read...

You are passing out of the shotgun.

Nothing fundamentally changes within the passing game at that point.

You are simply passing out of the shotgun like every other team that passes out of the shotgun.
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Maybe I'm dense but the point you are trying to make eludes me.

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[quote name='Marguide' timestamp='1351910151' post='1976910']
Maybe I'm dense but the point you are trying to make eludes me.
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The contention of many people is that Carolina has struggled in the passing game because they are constantly behind the 8 ball due to their inability to run effectively.

I actually agree with this to a degree. The Panthers were simply a fantastic running team last year...even discounting Newton's wonderful contributions. And it helped their passing attack considerably.

This year, with the zone read as their base offense, Carolina has struggled to run consistantly, putting them in more 2nd and 3rd and long situations and affecting the passing game.

My point is simply that many teams struggle to run the ball effectively and are constantly in those type of situations.

They are simply able to execute their way out of it.

Interestingly, last year the team with the lowest average per carry in the NFL???

The New York Giants.

Kind of shocking, actually.

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The Panthers didn't run the read option nearly as much last year, as they have this year.

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[quote name='Marguide' timestamp='1351910151' post='1976910']


Maybe I'm dense but the point you are trying to make eludes me.
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Why am I not surprised?

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I'm a BIG fan of TonyN... Some of the most observant posts in the past year easily
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[quote name='TruCatzFan' timestamp='1351912019' post='1976935']
I'm a BIG fan of TonyN... Some of the most observant posts in the past year easily
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Thanx much.

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[quote name='TonyN' timestamp='1351911283' post='1976928']


Interestingly, last year the team with the lowest average per carry in the NFL???

The New York Giants.

Kind of shocking, actually.
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Not really considering the ways in which the giants won last year which was coming from behind (having to pass). I know this doesn't necessarily affect the average, but if they were down in the first place it was likely due to their inability to get the ground game going.

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Fug all this and this Zone Read BS.
Eventually someone will cheap shot Cam running this krap ala Bill Romanowski/Scott Fujita.
These fuggers just cant resist a QB in the open field.

Then:

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[quote name='TruCatzFan' timestamp='1351912019' post='1976935']
I'm a BIG fan of TonyN... Some of the most observant posts in the past year easily
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LOL!

This is almost as bad as the comment about Conte having to live off of 5K for a week...

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[quote name='Gucci Mane' timestamp='1351912230' post='1976939']
Not really considering the ways in which the giants won last year which was coming from behind (having to pass). I know this doesn't necessarily affect the average, but if they were down in the first place it was likely due to their inability to get the ground game going.
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The Giants have a quarterback who can execute them out of ANYTHING

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[quote name='Bwood' timestamp='1351912381' post='1976941']


LOL!

This is almost as bad as the comment about Conte having to live off of 5K for a week...
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Really, cause I don't ever recall you doing an ounce of research for any single one of your posts. This guy put in some work and educated fools.

Btw, GO CANES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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