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Panthers have the best DE duo?

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[quote name='Panthercougar68' timestamp='1352081208' post='1981213']
We really do need some young stars up front, what we have now is a good short term plan for DT but I don't want another Kemo and Lewis situation where we rely on them for too long without looking at the long term solution.
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yeah when you have a high draft pick and can get Star or Hankins, then you have to do it. Have to think about the future. May not get another chance to draft a stud DT like that for a long time. Add one of those 2 to our d line and we have one of the top Dlines in the NFL. If not the top

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We need:

CB
FS
DT
WR

[b]Dosent matter where we get them and long as we do! Lets draft by the best player available at these positions in the draft as our picks come in each round and supplement the gaps in FA.[/b] I would personally like to get a WR with our first pick (if we dont plan to persue in FA) as I believe it is harder to identify an immediate contributor at this position in the later rounds. ...AND PLEASE get a guy who has played agianst QUALITY competetion ate the college level!!! No more projects, we need guys that can come in and help us now!

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[quote name='Montsta' timestamp='1352101756' post='1981728']
I watch a fairly decent amount of Cal football living in Northen Cali so I have to ask, am I the only one that isn't the least bit enamel red with Keenan Allen? He's a good WR, but nothing I'd rely on to replace Steve Smith at any time in the near future.
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I'm not particularly enamored with him either. This whole WR draft class seems pretty underwhelming to me.

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So all the talk about how our DTs are so weak and our DEs can't get pressure and are overpaid going into the season was totally wrong. Say it isn't so. How Gamble is the only corner we have and how the Captain and Norman shouldn't be starting in the league. How Davis wouldn't last 3 weeks, Beason would come back 100% and Kuechly would be Aaron Curry part 2.
Funny how most everything many people were saying has been proven totally wrong this so far.

I forgot, who said that Beason would struggle, Kuechly would be a beast, Johnson would have a break out year in this scheme and the Edwards brothers would be solid if not spectacular. Yeah, I know who.....................

Who said that McDermott was actually a good DC with good linebacker play and the ability to play aggressively. Our defense has been improving minus the last 2 minute breakdowns when we suddenly play prevent defense. Oh yeah, I know who.

And Rivera has made mistakes and screwed up .But his teams come to play and play hard. Even when they lose heart breakers.

Unfortunately the same people who were wrong about everything will be the most vocal again this off-season telling us over and over what we should do and who we should drop or pick up. And most likely they will be wrong once again as usual.

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[quote name='TruthVsComfort' timestamp='1352080425' post='1981164']
That is awesome. And this is why I am thinking WR in the first and FS in the second of the 2013 draft. Our Dline is beasting.
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You are right to say "DLine". Without Ron and Dwan Edwards, we are not getting the push up the middle. Many of the sacks were because the QB could not step up

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[quote name='Montsta' timestamp='1352101756' post='1981728']
I watch a fairly decent amount of Cal football living in Northen Cali so I have to ask, am I the only one that isn't the least bit enamel red with Keenan Allen? He's a good WR, but nothing I'd rely on to replace Steve Smith at any time in the near future.
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have to disagree. yes he is good, but could be a lot better if his brother was some what a good, consitent QB. the guy runs the entire route tree, and has the speed and size you would for a #1 to have. plus he makes people miss in the open field, dude is a beast.has produced since stepping foot on campus as a true freshman.
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Luke is playing pretty good, but he still needs to learn how to get off a block faster. but it would also help if somebody in front of him would not allow that blocker to get up to the 2nd level of the defense which happens some this year with the Edwards wall.which is why most of us were screaming for a DT last year.

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[quote name='panthers55' timestamp='1352122585' post='1981907']

I forgot, who said that Beason would struggle, Kuechly would be a beast, Johnson would have a break out year in this scheme and the Edwards brothers would be solid if not spectacular. Yeah, I know who.....................

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That would be me on all accounts.

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[quote name='DaCityKats' timestamp='1352123523' post='1981921']
Luke is playing pretty good, but he still needs to learn how to get off a block faster. but it would also help if somebody in front of him would not allow that blocker to get up to the 2nd level of the defense which happens some this year with the Edwards wall.which is why most of us were screaming for a DT last year.
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DT play is not a problem as you erroneously thought it would be. And Kuechly is a rookie who is still learning how to play in this league. He is not going to be clean all game especially as quick as he reads a play and charges inside. He is also going to be fooled at times and make a bad read. The defensse is actually coming together for the first time in years.

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[quote name='Montsta' timestamp='1352101756' post='1981728']
I watch a fairly decent amount of Cal football living in Northen Cali so I have to ask, am I the only one that isn't the least bit enamel red with Keenan Allen? He's a good WR, but nothing I'd rely on to replace Steve Smith at any time in the near future.
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I feel that way about all of the college WRs. THanks for the insight, though. I worry that the leagues with a lot of the wide-open offenses have inflated stock at the QB and WR positions.

I think there are some gems to be had in the draft, but not sure that the draft sites have the WRs evaluated correctly at this point.

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[quote name='DaCityKats' timestamp='1352123001' post='1981912']
have to disagree. yes he is good, but could be a lot better if his brother was some what a good, consitent QB. the guy runs the entire route tree, and has the speed and size you would for a #1 to have. plus he makes people miss in the open field, dude is a beast.has produced since stepping foot on campus as a true freshman.
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I agree 1000%. Allen is the type of WR I can see having 13 rec for 150 type games consistently. I see him having Dez Bryant type production (this year's Dez) without the baggage.

And, as you said, he can dominate without a good QB...the sign of a good Wideout.

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[quote name='panthers55' timestamp='1352124145' post='1981939']
DT play is not a problem as you erroneously thought it would be. And Kuechly is a rookie who is still learning how to play in this league. He is not going to be clean all game especially as quick as he reads a play and charges inside. He is also going to be fooled at times and make a bad read. The defensse is actually coming together for the first time in years.
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I am glad you defended Kuechly. His numbers say pro bowl. But what I like about him is this--When he hits the ball carrier, forward progress stops at that moment.

All MLBs miss on occasion, have trouble getting off blocks. Kuechly and Davis seem to be playing a step closer to the LOS than say an Urlacher or Willis do. That makes it tougher to reach block them, but it also makes it tougher to read and react.

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[quote name='panthers55' timestamp='1352124145' post='1981939']
DT play is not a problem as you erroneously thought it would be. And Kuechly is a rookie who is still learning how to play in this league. He is not going to be clean all game especially as quick as he reads a play and charges inside. He is also going to be fooled at times and make a bad read. The defensse is actually coming together for the first time in years.
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its not a problem because a pretty decent vet was cut right before the season, and we were lucky to get him. but both guys are 30+ and no telling how long they will be playing at this level, so some young blood should be brought in.i know he will not be clean but he still needs to get off blocks quicker.that will come with time in the weight room. and those false steps will get corrected with experience and just making the right read.

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[quote name='MHS831' timestamp='1352125102' post='1981973']
I feel that way about all of the college WRs. THanks for the insight, though. I worry that the leagues with a lot of the wide-open offenses have inflated stock at the QB and WR positions.

I think there are some gems to be had in the draft, but not sure that the draft sites have the WRs evaluated correctly at this point.
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which is another reason why Allen is pretty good, he is in pro style offense. yes they have some spread sets, but so do every team in the league. he runs good routes and is a threat to take it all the way.

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[quote name='DaCityKats' timestamp='1352127900' post='1982050']
which is another reason why Allen is pretty good, he is in pro style offense. yes they have some spread sets, but so do every team in the league. he runs good routes and is a threat to take it all the way.
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Not doubting that there is a lot of potential there, I am just thinking we need a proven #1, even if it costs us.

I don't really get into the 40 times of WRs or the college production because some teams like WV are playing schedules where the scores look like Basketball game results. I sorta watch 3 things, one of which you mention--route running, separation (part of route running but I give it a separate category because I include body positioning) and hands in traffic and away from the body.

Surprisingly, one of the best that I have seen in college this year is Duke's Vernon. Not saying he will be a star #1, but at this point in his development, he is solid.

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