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#46 PantherGuy

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 10:43 PM

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Maybe not, but suddenly what many considered a position of weakness looks like a strength. Add in young Frank Alexander and even Thomas Keiser in rotation. We look good there.


Fugging awesome stat. Never imagined that halfway through the season, we'd have the best DE tandem in the league, but would be only 2-6.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 11:26 PM

I still say we need to draft either DT or OT. Don't forget, Gross is getting up there in years, as well as our starting DTs, and although Bell is doing an outstanding job, not sure if he has the skillset to take over LT when Gross hangs em up.

Possibles for draft day: OT, DT, S in the first two rounds. I don't think we need a WR just yet, save that for next year's draft in the first, once we get things smoothed out about our coaching staff and GM.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 01:20 AM

Sorry, but uuuhhh NO! Alexander IS, AND will BE a passrusher. Hardy is closer to being a DT and its pretty absurd to make him a full time DT. if your talking DT ONLY on passing downs both Hardy and Alexander have played the position. A full time move is just rahtarted!

What's wrong with having a passrushing DT? Sounds pretty dope to me. Plus I love his length. He could bat so many balls down that are coming over the middle.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 02:49 AM

I watch a fairly decent amount of Cal football living in Northen Cali so I have to ask, am I the only one that isn't the least bit enamored with Keenan Allen? He's a good WR, but nothing I'd rely on to replace Steve Smith at any time in the near future.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 02:56 AM

I watch a fairly decent amount of Cal football living in Northen Cali so I have to ask, am I the only one that isn't the least bit enamel red with Keenan Allen? He's a good WR, but nothing I'd rely on to replace Steve Smith at any time in the near future.


Keenan Allen isn't a top prospect like AJ Green or a Julio Jones; though not many are. However, he would be an instant upgrade to the WR position and would start from day one and could likely replace 89 as the #1 after a year or so. Despite that, I think we have bigger needs than to address the wide receiver position early in the first round. I worry about selecting DT that early but it may happen if either Star or Hankins is available. If not, and if we happen to move on from Gamble for some draft picks, I could see us selecting Dee Milliner out of Bama'. Regardless of what happens we won't be able to fill our holes and needs with quality players with just the draft and need at least one impact FA to come to Carolina in the off-season.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 03:03 AM

We really do need some young stars up front, what we have now is a good short term plan for DT but I don't want another Kemo and Lewis situation where we rely on them for too long without looking at the long term solution.


yeah when you have a high draft pick and can get Star or Hankins, then you have to do it. Have to think about the future. May not get another chance to draft a stud DT like that for a long time. Add one of those 2 to our d line and we have one of the top Dlines in the NFL. If not the top

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 03:08 AM

We need:

CB
FS
DT
WR

Dosent matter where we get them and long as we do! Lets draft by the best player available at these positions in the draft as our picks come in each round and supplement the gaps in FA. I would personally like to get a WR with our first pick (if we dont plan to persue in FA) as I believe it is harder to identify an immediate contributor at this position in the later rounds. ...AND PLEASE get a guy who has played agianst QUALITY competetion ate the college level!!! No more projects, we need guys that can come in and help us now!

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 06:44 AM

I watch a fairly decent amount of Cal football living in Northen Cali so I have to ask, am I the only one that isn't the least bit enamel red with Keenan Allen? He's a good WR, but nothing I'd rely on to replace Steve Smith at any time in the near future.


I'm not particularly enamored with him either. This whole WR draft class seems pretty underwhelming to me.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 08:36 AM

So all the talk about how our DTs are so weak and our DEs can't get pressure and are overpaid going into the season was totally wrong. Say it isn't so. How Gamble is the only corner we have and how the Captain and Norman shouldn't be starting in the league. How Davis wouldn't last 3 weeks, Beason would come back 100% and Kuechly would be Aaron Curry part 2.
Funny how most everything many people were saying has been proven totally wrong this so far.

I forgot, who said that Beason would struggle, Kuechly would be a beast, Johnson would have a break out year in this scheme and the Edwards brothers would be solid if not spectacular. Yeah, I know who.....................

Who said that McDermott was actually a good DC with good linebacker play and the ability to play aggressively. Our defense has been improving minus the last 2 minute breakdowns when we suddenly play prevent defense. Oh yeah, I know who.

And Rivera has made mistakes and screwed up .But his teams come to play and play hard. Even when they lose heart breakers.

Unfortunately the same people who were wrong about everything will be the most vocal again this off-season telling us over and over what we should do and who we should drop or pick up. And most likely they will be wrong once again as usual.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 08:39 AM

That is awesome. And this is why I am thinking WR in the first and FS in the second of the 2013 draft. Our Dline is beasting.


You are right to say "DLine". Without Ron and Dwan Edwards, we are not getting the push up the middle. Many of the sacks were because the QB could not step up

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 08:43 AM

I watch a fairly decent amount of Cal football living in Northen Cali so I have to ask, am I the only one that isn't the least bit enamel red with Keenan Allen? He's a good WR, but nothing I'd rely on to replace Steve Smith at any time in the near future.

have to disagree. yes he is good, but could be a lot better if his brother was some what a good, consitent QB. the guy runs the entire route tree, and has the speed and size you would for a #1 to have. plus he makes people miss in the open field, dude is a beast.has produced since stepping foot on campus as a true freshman.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 08:52 AM

Luke is playing pretty good, but he still needs to learn how to get off a block faster. but it would also help if somebody in front of him would not allow that blocker to get up to the 2nd level of the defense which happens some this year with the Edwards wall.which is why most of us were screaming for a DT last year.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 09:00 AM

I forgot, who said that Beason would struggle, Kuechly would be a beast, Johnson would have a break out year in this scheme and the Edwards brothers would be solid if not spectacular. Yeah, I know who.....................


That would be me on all accounts.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 09:02 AM

Luke is playing pretty good, but he still needs to learn how to get off a block faster. but it would also help if somebody in front of him would not allow that blocker to get up to the 2nd level of the defense which happens some this year with the Edwards wall.which is why most of us were screaming for a DT last year.


DT play is not a problem as you erroneously thought it would be. And Kuechly is a rookie who is still learning how to play in this league. He is not going to be clean all game especially as quick as he reads a play and charges inside. He is also going to be fooled at times and make a bad read. The defensse is actually coming together for the first time in years.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 09:18 AM

I watch a fairly decent amount of Cal football living in Northen Cali so I have to ask, am I the only one that isn't the least bit enamel red with Keenan Allen? He's a good WR, but nothing I'd rely on to replace Steve Smith at any time in the near future.

I feel that way about all of the college WRs. THanks for the insight, though. I worry that the leagues with a lot of the wide-open offenses have inflated stock at the QB and WR positions.

I think there are some gems to be had in the draft, but not sure that the draft sites have the WRs evaluated correctly at this point.


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