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#91 Zod

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 07:40 AM

I dont recall us overanalyzing Moore's "leadership". It seems if you arent very gifted physically or not overly talented, its assumed you have intangibles. And if you are a physical specimen, then nobody can see intangibles in you. I never seen Panther fans make such a big deal about sideline demeanor, post game press conferences, and etiquette until Cameron became our QB. And Im pretty sure if Moore or Jake put up 2 TDs, posted a 100.1 QB rating and got us our first road win IN Washington their supporters would've mentioned the "intangible qualities" they displayed in the win.



If Jake was a second year player that his team mates never mention as a leader and who sulked by himself when things got tough, I am positive his leadership qualities would be questioned.

I would say what I am saying now. Much room to grow and improve.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 07:43 AM

If Jake was a second year player that his team mates never mention as a leader and who sulked by himself when things got tough, I am positive his leadership qualities would be questioned.

I would say what I am saying now. Much room to grow and improve.


Who among his teammates is the leader? Who is stepping up every week on the field of play? Or is this just a team with no leader going thru the motions? Most of those guys are longtime lockerroom faves, not leaders. And I think Cam has more respect in that locker room than is portrayed on this board.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 07:44 AM

Who among his teammates is the leader?


I asked Byron Bell last week. Byron said Gross and Smith.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 07:44 AM

I dont recall us overanalyzing Moore's "leadership". It seems if you arent very gifted physically or not overly talented, its assumed you have intangibles. And if you are a physical specimen, then nobody can see intangibles in you. I never seen Panther fans make such a big deal about sideline demeanor, post game press conferences, and etiquette until Cameron became our QB. And Im pretty sure if Moore or Jake put up 2 TDs, posted a 100.1 QB rating and got us our first road win IN Washington their supporters would've mentioned the "intangible qualities" they displayed in the win.


Let's be real..You know what they are doing is nothing more than hiding their true reasons behind typical stereotypical comparisons.

The media's desire to align Cam to VY was not accidental. Many on here jumping on everything the media says about Cam isn't an accident. Let's not kid ourselves. All the media did was make it easier for those who don't want Cam on this team to defend their argument by towing the media's talking points against him when the team loses.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 07:47 AM

In the NFL ranks mean very little bc teams can get up for a game and play. Except for Armanti play, the Skins D played great. Their pass rush was excellent and our pass protection was awful. Cam did what we needed to do to win given he had ZERO time.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 07:49 AM

I asked Byron Bell last week. Byron said Gross and Smith.


What has Gross and Smith led us to the past 3 years? 30 losses right? LOL. Great leaders we have there. Smith throws his teammates under the bus, and NEVER points the finger at himself after losses. Like I said, we have "longtime locker room faves", not leaders. And thats the main thing holding this franchise back. Jordan Gross hasnt done alot of public speaking this year, and thats something you would expect of a leader in adverse times. Nope, its all on Cameron to carry that cross. Gross is NOT an emotional leader. Smith BARELY speaks or does interviews. He is a leader on the field, but off it I havent heard much speaking from him since his comments about Cam and he has enough strikes in history to get scratched off the "proper etiquette" list. I'd respect it more if people just said we dont have any leadership (including management) then dart Cameron to death about it.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 07:50 AM



I'm just telling you what a starter on the Panthers offensive line said. He didn't even mention Cam when leadership was the question. You don't have to like it, but that was the answer, and it was telling.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 08:09 AM

LOL,

Actual players tell you who the leaders are.

KT tells you they are wrong. Classic.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 08:12 AM

Brandon Lafell and Jordan Gross have called Cam "one of our leaders" before.

Bell speaks for the entire locker room? And is it really shocking a 2nd year offensive linemen points to the longest tenured lineman/highest paid player in the locker room as a leader? LOL. He didnt mention Beason either, guess he's not a leader either huh?

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 08:16 AM

I asked about leaders on offense.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 10:33 AM

Cam was a leader of men today, he inspired our defense to finally do their job for 4 quarters.

The defense has been doing their job for about the past 5 games now. Where have you been?

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 10:43 AM

LOL,

Actual players tell you who the leaders are.

KT tells you they are wrong. Classic.


This.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 10:52 AM

The defense has been doing their job for about the past 5 games now. Where have you been?


The defense did their job in Chicago? In Atlanta? Against New York? Who did they stop at the end of those games? If doing their job is shutting down Peyton for 3 quarters, only to watch him go off in the 4th for another 1 of those signature Peyton/Foxball 3 TD "comebacks", we're in a heap of trouble next week!

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 10:54 AM

Man this stubborn insistence that Cam is a leader right this moment is getting annoying from any source.

Cam, as he sits right now, is not a leader on this team. I fully believe he will be. I believe it will be sooner rather than later. And I think the same emotional qualities that make it difficult for him to grow into the role will make him very good at it once he does grow into it. But right now he just isn't. He has a lot of personal growth he needs to go through before he's a real leader in that locker room. I also think we can see him going through that growing process this season as we watch how he carries himself.

I don't think the locker-room hates him or that he's a pariah; I just think that he needs to grow into a leadership role and that his teammates recognize this. And this isn't a bad thing - if his teammates put the whole locker room on his shoulders without letting him do his growing it wouldn't do anything but hurt him. It's a VERY rare individual that comes out of college at 23 years old and is ready to be the emotional leader of an NFL team. There's a certain maturity required for that and most people that age don't have it.

As fans it's also a bit hypocritical to say after a loss that we can't blame Cam for the poor play of the [defense / offensive line / coaches] and shield him from criticism because he didn't lose all by himself but then heap praise on him for the good play of the [defense / offensive line / coaches] because he was such a stellar leader that he elevated the play of a unit he doesn't even play on. Our defense deserves credit for their play yesterday, not Cam. Cam played a good, solid game and I was glad to see it...but he didn't play on the defensive side of the ball.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 10:57 AM

The defense did their job in Chicago? In Atlanta? Against New York? Who did they stop at the end of those games? If doing their job is shutting down Peyton for 3 quarters, only to watch him go off in the 4th for another 1 of those signature Peyton/Foxball 3 TD "comebacks", we're in a heap of trouble next week!

Then tell me when the offense has done their job. The defense has been more consistent and more productive than the offense in every game this season. The last five games don't include the Giants where the absence of offensive leadership was clear.


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