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A couple of interesting quotes from the article

“This team doesn’t have leaders,” veteran wide receiver [url="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2012/11/01/carolina-panthers-offensive-player-to-watch-wr-steve-smith/"]Steve Smith[/url] said flatly when asked about Newton’s leadership.

Rivera said quarterbacks must stay a step ahead of defenses. Athletic quarterbacks can succeed, but only those who become proficient passers emerge as the game’s best. [url="http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/is-aaron-rodgers-having-the-best-season-ever-by-a-quarterback/2011/12/06/gIQAYFvqaO_story.html"]Aaron Rodgers[/url] evolved, but [url="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/wp/2012/10/31/andy-reid-will-stick-with-michael-vick-as-eagles-starter/"]Michael Vick[/url] has never become an elite passer. Whose career arc will Newton’s more closely resemble?

Not long afterward, he returned to the locker room. Someone tapped him on the shoulder and asked if he truly dislikes some parts of his job as much as it appears. He shrugged. “Depends on how you look at it,” he said before looking away.

Rivera said he believes in Newton’s ability to adapt physically but that Newton doesn’t realize how many people are reading into the way he carries himself.

“Being a quarterback is like getting a loan on a car. There’s fine print,” said Smith, the Panthers’ best wide receiver. “. . . There’s a responsibility, which isn’t fair, but it’s there.”

“I know the mistakes I’ve made,” Smith, 33, said, “and so I’m trying to help a guy not go down the same path.”

Smith said it would be easy to allow a young player to simply wallow in his own disappointments and learn the right way on his own. But Smith said that’s not in his personality.
“You can’t allow passive people to be passive,” Smith said.

“At some points and some times in an athlete’s career,” Newton said, “you feel sometimes that you’re in a lose-lose situation. When you pour your heart out and you tell it how it is, then you get condemned.”

Smith said there’s nothing in it for him; he’s nearing the end of his career. But the only team he has played for has plenty at stake.
“I would love to see, when I’m done playing, when I’m sitting on the couch, when I’m an official fan, when I’m watching them with my boys — look at Cam,” Smith said. “Look at that man. Not the football player. The man. That’s what’s important to me.”

Here the fully interview [url="http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/redskins-vs-panthers-cam-newtons-struggles-could-provide-roadmap-for-robert-griffin-iii/2012/11/03/e7705d34-2535-11e2-ba29-238a6ac36a08_story.html"]http://www.washingto...6a08_story.html[/url]
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lot of bad juju up in there

but it's the washington post writing an article about the bad guys coming to town, and it was written before the game, so it's not exactly slantless journalism.

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I think this thread is about to set records for replies.
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for those who want the tl;dr version - Steve Smith said Cam is immature but he hopes one day he grows up so he can watch the Panthers tear it up once he retires.

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Steve Smith has 1 TD this year. Nothing to see here.

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oh no, offensive leadership from the QB position still being questioned. Who woulda thunk it?

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[quote name='King Taharqa' timestamp='1352136718' post='1982284']
Steve Smith has 1 TD this year. Nothing to see here.
[/quote]And thats just as much cams fault as his. Steves also still on pace for 1260 yards this season.
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[quote name='Peppers90 NC' timestamp='1352136740' post='1982286']
oh no, offensive leadership from the QB position still being questioned. Who woulda thunk it?
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from a guy who finally put points on the board yesterday. WRs who dont get in the end zone, dont have room to talk about leaders who save their career. If #89 had more scores and less drops we'd be better than 2-6.

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[quote name='panthers04100' timestamp='1352136857' post='1982288']
And thats just as much cams fault as his. Steves also still on pace for 1260 yards this season.
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Its not Cam's fault #89 cant get open or is dropping balls at alarming rates. Steve had 2 TDs in the 1st week of last season. Let's see how long it takes him to get #2 this year. And the guy still cant keep his mouth shut publicly about teammates. This isnt his team anymore, he needs to learn to fall back and bow out gracefully. Cam is teaching him what leadership and poise is about. He always points the finger at himself. If #89 did that after the Giants game, probably wouldnt've took him til now to do something Lafell and Pilares did weeks ago.

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meh....I am almost to the point that I don't have to read these articles becuase they all say the same thing. This guy has been painted into what the media has always wanted him to the be painted as. The guy can't win in the media's eyes, but the day I am looking forward to is when he uses this unwarranted hatred and channels it positively into his game.
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“I know the mistakes I’ve made,” Smith, 33, said, “and so I’m trying to help a guy not go down the same path.”
Smith said it would be easy to allow a young player to simply wallow in his own disappointments and learn the right way on his own. But Smith said that’s not in his personality. When Newton wandered around the locker room with a dazed expression Wednesday, Smith used a towel to lightly smack his quarterback’s hind parts.
“You can’t allow passive people to be passive,” Smith said.
The project is a work in progress. Newton indicated that he’s unsure how to behave; uncertain of who he’s supposed to be. The same player who declared before last year’s draft that he saw himself not only as a football player but also an “entertainer and an icon,” now seems smothered by the enormity of those expectations.
“At some points and some times in an athlete’s career,” Newton said, “you feel sometimes that you’re in a lose-lose situation. When you pour your heart out and you tell it how it is, then you get condemned.”
Smith said he’ll keep working on his quarterback, and maybe, eventually, Newton will realize that unchecked emotion can undermine physical gifts, no matter how impressive. Smith said there’s nothing in it for him; he’s nearing the end of his career. But the only team he has played for has plenty at stake.
“I would love to see, when I’m done playing, when I’m sitting on the couch, when I’m an official fan, when I’m watching them with my boys — look at Cam,” Smith said. “Look at that man. Not the football player. The man. That’s what’s important to me.”
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I don't see a problem with someone trying to keep Cam out of his doldrums. Cam listens to what Steve has to say. He needs to be challenged by somebody on the team since this is still all very new to him.

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[quote name='King Taharqa' timestamp='1352137037' post='1982296']
This isnt his team anymore, he needs to learn to fall back and bow out gracefully. Cam is teaching him what leadership and poise is about. He always points the finger at himself. If #89 did that after the Giants game, probably wouldnt've took him til now to do something Lafell and Pilares did weeks ago.
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Are you fuging kidding me?

Cam is not teaching ANYONE what leadership is about. Cam has yet to figure that one out for himself.

The only thing Cam is teaching anyone is how to be a good team mate when things are going well.....and then sitting over in the corner sulking like a 7 yo child when things do not go his way.

I guess you and I have very different view of what leadership actually is.

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I found the statement by Smith pretty damning about how there are no leaders on the team. Forget what it says about Cam, what does it say about Smith himself, along with Gross, TD, and CJ? After all, they are the team captains. Doesn't that carry the responsibility to be a leader on the field and off?

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[quote name='MadHatter' timestamp='1352137625' post='1982318']


Are you fuging kidding me?

Cam is not teaching ANYONE what leadership is about. Cam has yet to figure that one out for himself.

The only thing Cam is teaching anyone is how to be a good team mate when things are going well.....and then sitting over in the corner sulking like a 7 yo child when things do not go his way.

I guess you and I have very different view of what leadership actually is.
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You mean like RG3 yesterday? Sorry, but I'm pretty sure I saw him daydreaming not even looking at his coach. You need to get a grip.

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Steve hit the nail on the head. Cam needs to listen to the veterans he respects and make plays for him. I think these guys WANT a leader, look at the way they rallied behind Delhomme, even when he sucked. The D has several leaders is Beason, Johnson, TD and now Kuechly, not to mention a quiet leader in Gamble. The O just doesn't have those personalities and that's where I miss Shockey, he was a lightening rod of emotion and could get everyone fired up.

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[quote name='Marguide' timestamp='1352137672' post='1982320']
I found the statement by Smith pretty damning about how there are no leaders on the team. Forget what it says about Cam, what does it say about Smith himself, along with Gross, TD, and CJ? After all, they are the team captains. Doesn't that carry the responsibility to be a leader on the field and off?
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Not if you're a "locker room fave" and fans have owned your jersey for 5+ years. You dont need to be a "leader", just show up and collect your paycheck. You also can throw teammates under the bus publicly and dudes will call it "leadership".

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"Leadership" is the most overrated phenomenon in pro sports. They are grown ass men who get paid very, very well. It's just a damn game. Win on Sunday & IDGAF what you do or who you are Mon-Sat.
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[quote name='Marguide' timestamp='1352137672' post='1982320']
I found the statement by Smith pretty damning about how there are no leaders on the team. Forget what it says about Cam, what does it say about Smith himself, along with Gross, TD, and CJ? After all, they are the team captains. Doesn't that carry the responsibility to be a leader on the field and off?
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Look bro, there are leaders... Zod's excellent journalism pressured Byron Bell to admit the truth.

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Steve Smith lecturing on leadership.

Leona Helmsley lecturing on charity.

Snookie lecturing on nuclear physics.

lol...

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[quote name='Jackofalltrades' timestamp='1352137842' post='1982324']
The D has several leaders is Beason, Johnson, TD and now Kuechly, not to mention a quiet leader in Gamble. The O just doesn't have those personalities and that's where I miss Shockey, he was a lightening rod of emotion and could get everyone fired up.
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It's too early to proclaim any of those guys as leaders on D. The only "emotional" leader you named was Jon Beason. And he's on IR and seemingly on his way out of Carolina.

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Steve just didn't call out Cam....he called out the entire damn team. Including his teammate who he's known since both played at Utah.

Cold world, no snuggie.

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[quote name='King Taharqa' timestamp='1352137995' post='1982336']

It's too early to proclaim any of those guys as leaders on D. The only "emotional" leader you named was Jon Beason. And he's on IR and seemingly on his way out of Carolina.
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Right, CJ is wearing the C now because he's not a leader. TD has been regarded as a leader for several seasons now. Godfrey is becoming an emotional leader. There's a lot more to being a leader than what we see on Sunday. Kuechly has been raved about by fellow players about his composure, willingness to work and learn and to lead by example. Those things make you a leader.

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I think we all know that to be a leader involves not being an emotional rollercoaster during and after a game that Cam has been. Steve Smith is no emotional rock either; so he really can't be the guy people need to follow the example of when the game is on the line. Cam will get there imo, though. It isn't a talent that you are born with. Leaders are made.

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no comment on what smitty says...but the thing that is going to define cam as the leader that he needs to be, that the TEAM needs him to be is bringing the team back from behind in a game that matters. instead of getting into a funk when things head south, act like the leader he was at auburn and get the team fired back up and charging ahead...but they need to see him doing that himself.

they need to see him not be the mopeyheaded persona he earned, but that guy that brought auburn back against alabama.

the team hasn't seen that guy. until they do, he's not the leader he can be.

he impressed yesterday, but he played well and the panthers pretty much had control the whole game.

what's really going to inspire the players is when he acts inspired in the face of defeat.

now i will say that his work ethic and commitment towards improving and excellence himself has been a great leadership trait, but the team needs more than that from him. they need the one that can inspire them on the field to overcome obstacles and there's not a guy on that team that can do it like he's capable of.

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[quote name='Marguide' timestamp='1352137672' post='1982320']
[b]I[b] found the [/b]statement by Smith pretty damning about how there are no leaders on the team[/b]. Forget what it says about Cam, what does it say about Smith himself, along with Gross, TD, and CJ? After all, they are the team captains. Doesn't that carry the responsibility to be a leader on the field and off?
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I felt the same way and at first I thought it was pretty lame that they were so frank about their 2nd year qb in a Washington Post article. But they don't want to coddle Cam like they're doing in NY with Sanchez. They know he has the potential to get better but the question is can he make his team better. What I found most interesting is that Cam is painted out as being a loner? Like whose his friends?

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