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#31 Snake

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 08:40 AM

Not that it's fair or right, but the ferocity of TD's hit drew the flag.

RG3 is a league darling right now - refs have his back.


Seems to me any big market team gets the favor at home. I mean Vick is getting killed in Philly but no one cares.

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 08:43 AM

First the hit on Cam did not look as violent, the one on RG did. Second, it was that way ALOT with Vick in all those years we played him against Atlanta. Many times he would look like is going out of bounds then turned it upfield, so there were plenty of times he got late hit calls cause he would decide to go out of bounds. Not sure how you handle that, except after awhile with QB's that play that way you treat as a RB when they run out of the pocket. But not sure if that will ever happen. Vick was good at using this to his advantage when he ran.

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 08:45 AM

Bc the love RGIII. You see they don't help Mike Vick out like they do RG. I Dno why people love him so much.

#34 Delhommey

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 09:05 AM

Cam got a much, much cheaper Roughing The Passer call than RGIII, yet everyone cries that we wuz robbed.

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 09:15 AM

It looked like a hit out of bounds to me until they replayed it in slow motion. The refs don't get to look at the replays before making a call. I don't think it's a huge deal either way.

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 09:27 AM

That flag gets thrown every single time in today's NFL, fair or not. If you haven't noticed, this league is all about protecting the QB and when it appears a QB is stepping out of bounds, defenders must let up or else they will get a 15 yarder. This applies to every quarterback in the league, even pickles.

#37 rayzor

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 10:20 AM

Interesting stat about the game:

14. I'll tell you why that Carolina victory was significant, and it has nothing to do with Cam Newton and/or RG3 and everything to do with referee Carl Cheffers. It marked the first time in Cheffers' last 12 games that the home team lost.

Source:
http://www.cbssports...e-with-luck-rg3

wow. not surprised, though. lot's of that going on. some refs call for the home team more. some, like hochuli (who is the worst at this, btw) make more calls for the away team. very few call it balanced. what's shocking to me is just how little difference there is between the quality of the real refs and the replacements. within a couple seasons the replacements would have caught up to the quality of the refs we have now.

It looked like a hit out of bounds to me until they replayed it in slow motion. The refs don't get to look at the replays before making a call. I don't think it's a huge deal either way.

this is one change i think needs to be made. penalty flags can't be challenged. i don't know why they haven't done this but considering the potential momentum changes and overall impact on a game that we have seen far too often first hand, it absolutely should be done.

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 10:27 AM

If you watch the game again, Watch for several late hits by the redskins Middle linebacker. He had at least 3 on Cam in the game and was not once called for it. At one point when Cam scrambed for a first down and slide head first. He was clearly down by contact but here again comes the MLB diving in well late and straight for Cams head and neck areas. Right i fromt of a ref. So yes there may have been some double standards in the game.

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 10:36 AM

re: the hit onRG3 vs. the one on cam....i think that rg3 is one of the new nfl/media QB darlings and his going to a big market team just compounded that.

this hit, though, i don't take as something to support that. cam is built like a frikkin tank and griffin is built like a ragdoll (and he kind of looks like one, tbh). but, cam's gonna take hits a lot better than most of these midget 75 pound QBs you have running around. guys like griffin are going to go flying after getting hit by one of the grown ups while cam is going to just stand there. cam's gonna have to take some acting lessons to make real hits against him look like they actually happened and get noticed by the refs. meanwhile all a guy like griffin has to do is have someone sneeze on him and he turns into a helicopter.

then there's the TD factor. that guy is fast and hits like a sledgehammer (wasn't that his nickname early on?). remember TD's rookie year he paralyzed some guy on the packers. the guy can flat out do some damage so that hit on the sidelines was kind of like a sledgehammer being taken to an egg. it's going to be a spectacle and refs are going tonotice something big happened and without the benefit of a challenge, which isn't allowed in those situations, more often than not, it's going to draw a penalty just to be on the safe side....because that's what the refs have been told to do. if in doubt, throw the flag.

#40 King Taharqa

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 10:37 AM

I dont have a problem with the call on RG3, in fact I think the refs need to protect mobile QBs more. Its fairly obvious guys are coached up to lower the boom on "mobile QBs" when they leave the pocket. If they lower the boom on pocket passers who scramble or come anywhere close to their helmet, fines and penalties ensue. There needs to be a balanace. Vick takes more abuse then any QB in the league, and the refs dont baby him the way they do other QBs.

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 11:41 AM

RG was hit a few times in just our game where he looked like he was going to need smelling salts.. The Shannies are sailing him out in some dangerous seas..his frame is just not going to take that.


Agree with that, I see him having an injury riddled future.

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 11:45 AM

I dont have a problem with the call on RG3, in fact I think the refs need to protect mobile QBs more. Its fairly obvious guys are coached up to lower the boom on "mobile QBs" when they leave the pocket. If they lower the boom on pocket passers who scramble or come anywhere close to their helmet, fines and penalties ensue. There needs to be a balanace. Vick takes more abuse then any QB in the league, and the refs dont baby him the way they do other QBs.


I think it has more to do with the QB being fair game at that point rather than their mobility.

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 11:46 AM

That flag gets thrown every single time in today's NFL, fair or not. If you haven't noticed, this league is all about protecting the QB and when it appears a QB is stepping out of bounds, defenders must let up or else they will get a 15 yarder. This applies to every quarterback in the league, even pickles.


Very obvious you didn't read the whole OP.

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 11:50 AM

As stated, simply put, perception. Cam looks like he can take a hit, RG3 has ragdoll physics (see RGcopt3r move).

Cam can get in on the act too though (roughing on Fletcher?)

#45 Keith Moons Liver

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 11:53 AM

People hate Cam because his attitude. He's confident and arrogant and that pisses them off. In the eyes of most of the NFL that is somehow worse than being a murderer like Ray Lewis or Vick.


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