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What I've Learned From This Election


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#101 stirs

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 08:25 PM

We live in an area predominately farmers and military. We have African-American neighbors all around our subdivision. 3 houses down from me is an African-American Prinicple at a local elementary school. The local high school prinicple has a doctorates degree and is African-American. So I ask - why does this school which is administered by a very successful African-American, and not within the city limits of any city - why does this school have a 52% drop out rate of young black males?

Its obviously not under-funded, not in a ghetto, not being led by idiots. My asian-american children are sitting right there in the same classrooms with the same teachers and are excelling.

I'm just a little tired of hearing that blacks don't get the same opportunities as others - it was true 40-50 years ago, but is not true today.

The answer has to be elsewhere - maybe family? My wife and I both work - but we always found time to be involved with our childrens school assignments, homework, making sure they studied for exams.....etc.

We raised 5 kids, 3 have gone to college and the last 2 graduate HS this year. All have been taught the importance of being responsible for yourself, your actions and to not rely on the government to solve your problems and take care of you. You want to rise up - it starts with YOU standing up.


I think it is a little bigger than that. Part of the reason I was talking with the Marine was the fact that in spite of the loyalty to the Dems for 60 years, they have gone further and further away from realizing the American Dream.

Dems gave them policies which actually discourage the family unit. There is a huge percentage of black babies born to single moms. Pretty big in other races also, but still, if a mom is to raise kids with the governments help instead of a dads help, the kids are behind already.

I do not know you at all and mean no disrespect, but your kids have a dad and mom which puts them well ahead of the curve. If the single mom is working to raise the kids, she might not be there for the homework and other stuff. And having boys be left alone is a disaster waiting to happen as they grow up.

Bottom line, if government gives you policies leave you in a single parent household, feeds your kids at breakfast, takes care of your kids after school, then the dads role has been subbed out to Uncle Sam. We know how well the government does, well, everything, so just think how well they can do raising your kids.

The government is no substitute for a dad.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 08:52 PM

I found out what I found out in 04'

You can't win an election by hating the incumbent more than how much you support your candidate

This election had more to do with language, tone, and demeanor in big part because of the information age we live in. One side just came across as angry and directionless because they haven't adapted well to the surrounding post-modern social landscape which irritated the majority of sane Americans floating in the middle. Republicans are great with being the --Don't back down, stand your ground, etc.-- personality that is aggressive and confident but they just don't realize how irritating they are to a lot of Americans to the point of where they just get annoyed by it and turn away. I think if they adapted socially to the left (or at least ditched the bedroom policy crap) that would solve a big chunk of their problems and help gain votes.

..and they need to play toward percentage based demographics at a state-by-state level.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 09:36 PM

None of what you called bullshit is bullshit. In fact, half of it came from Hillary when she was running against Obama for the Dem nomination.

Because everyone knows that when a Clinton says something it isn't bullshit /sarcasm

And everything I listed that people have accused Obama of is indeed bullshit.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 09:40 PM

I think it is a little bigger than that. Part of the reason I was talking with the Marine was the fact that in spite of the loyalty to the Dems for 60 years, they have gone further and further away from realizing the American Dream.

Dems gave them policies which actually discourage the family unit. There is a huge percentage of black babies born to single moms. Pretty big in other races also, but still, if a mom is to raise kids with the governments help instead of a dads help, the kids are behind already.

I do not know you at all and mean no disrespect, but your kids have a dad and mom which puts them well ahead of the curve. If the single mom is working to raise the kids, she might not be there for the homework and other stuff. And having boys be left alone is a disaster waiting to happen as they grow up.

Bottom line, if government gives you policies leave you in a single parent household, feeds your kids at breakfast, takes care of your kids after school, then the dads role has been subbed out to Uncle Sam. We know how well the government does, well, everything, so just think how well they can do raising your kids.

The government is no substitute for a dad.


I think this is where the major disconnect is. Everyone can agree that the government is no substitute for being raised in a supportive, two parent household. Liberals want to make sure that there are ways for a single family household to survive if necessary, while conservatives fill that many of those means of survival lead to an easier decision for the family to break up. Really a chicken vs the egg argument when it comes down to it.

I can understand both points of view, but I really don't know how many people out there really think "My kids don't need a dad cause I can just get welfare!" Whatever the problem is, we need to find a way to encourage two parent homes while also providing for families that just cannot be in the ideal family situation for whatever reason.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 09:58 PM

if both parties were all about the needs of the people, would we be in the current state of affairs we are in now?

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 10:02 PM

Probably not, but I'm talking more about the feelings of voters, not politicians

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 10:05 PM

if both parties were all about the needs of the people, would we be in the current state of affairs we are in now?


Both parties are out to do themselves good. They do this by keeping power. They do this by pitting groups against each other or buying their votes with their endless pool of money. Vote buying.

The more you can do without the government, the better off you will be.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 10:09 PM

and nobody in the media challenges congress on their benefits/pensions etc. austerity should start THERE first. if those guys rolled up their sleeves and led the way in "shared sacrifice" then we would see a profound shift in the US.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 10:23 PM

agreed. it would be primarily symbolic, but good symbols from DC are definitely needed

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 12:46 AM

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