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#91 teeray

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 06:37 PM

You are correct. The Lee Atwater/Willie Horton thing was to get votes by scaring folks. I was basically starting the conversation about victims. This with the Dems is their whole voting base. The Dems are made up of many groups, all who get reminded "every" election just how Pubs will put them back in chains or some such nonsense.

No clean hands in politics, never said that, just that the Pubs are not the devil as Dems portray them. They need all the different groups to believe it though.

The party of Bill Clinton and Ted Kennedy need women to beleive that Pubs have a war on women.....and they get applauded. The party of David Duke and Robert Byrd need you to beleive that Pubs want blacks to go back on the plantation.

It is politics, dirty politics and both sides try to manipulate. All I was doing was mentioning to a former marine that he has the power to go beyond the petty politics, especially since for 60 years, the Dems talk a big game, but in the end accomplish very little for the black community.

I guess I would say that the difference to me is this:

The Willie Horton ad was bullshit.

Obama birther stuff is bullshit.

Obama is an anti-colonial who hates America because of long lost desire to please his African father... is bullshit.

The idea that Obama is a socialist is bullshit.

The inuendo of "Born in America" and "Take our country back" is bullshit.

Compare that to the fact that Republicans had in their official party platform that they wanted to get rid of abortion with no exceptions.

Romney said in the primary he would get rid of FEMA.

George Bush actually attempted to privatize social security

Paul Ryan's own budget wants to turn Medicare into a voucher program.

Republicans say they want to overturn Obamacare keeping people with pre-existing conditions to not be able to get coverage or pay for coverage for the care that they need to survive.

Mitt Romey said he would de-fund Planned Parenthood.

Romney said he wanted to make the lives of immigrants so bad they would self deport our country.

Romney said that 47% of this country has no sense of personal responsibility.

That Republicans have put into place voter restrictions (like voter ID laws) specifically designed to target minorities and take their right to vote away from them


The point is, the things that are scaring these so called "victims" aren't what Democrats are saying about Republicans. it is what is coming out of Republicans own fugging mouths.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 06:38 PM

So now you disenfranchise the mentally handicapped

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 06:49 PM

If you watched the elections, you'd realize that talking down to minorities and insulting them is honestly how the Republicans think they can win them over.

Oh, and offering a token minority on the ticket every now and again. (see stirs earlier posts to see how it baffles them when people don't fall for it).

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 07:46 PM

This is not at all a racist comment, but keep up the good work. It is a fact that although blacks have given homage to Dems forever, they get stuck with the worst schools, very few opportunities to excel, bad policies for families and basically little chance to succeed. Thus the poor comment. Not racist at all.

Underacheiving based on the rest of society. Who could acheive when saddled with the circumstances they have been given.

You are guilty of being one of the oppressors when you continually run and yell racist, therefore negating any points or ideas. This is exactly what the Dems have been doing for 60 years and I thank you for making my point.



We live in an area predominately farmers and military. We have African-American neighbors all around our subdivision. 3 houses down from me is an African-American Prinicple at a local elementary school. The local high school prinicple has a doctorates degree and is African-American. So I ask - why does this school which is administered by a very successful African-American, and not within the city limits of any city - why does this school have a 52% drop out rate of young black males?

Its obviously not under-funded, not in a ghetto, not being led by idiots. My asian-american children are sitting right there in the same classrooms with the same teachers and are excelling.

I'm just a little tired of hearing that blacks don't get the same opportunities as others - it was true 40-50 years ago, but is not true today.

The answer has to be elsewhere - maybe family? My wife and I both work - but we always found time to be involved with our childrens school assignments, homework, making sure they studied for exams.....etc.

We raised 5 kids, 3 have gone to college and the last 2 graduate HS this year. All have been taught the importance of being responsible for yourself, your actions and to not rely on the government to solve your problems and take care of you. You want to rise up - it starts with YOU standing up.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 07:51 PM

If you watched the elections, you'd realize that talking down to minorities and insulting them is honestly how the Republicans think they can win them over.

Oh, and offering a token minority on the ticket every now and again. (see stirs earlier posts to see how it baffles them when people don't fall for it).



Well damn, according to King Taharqa, Republicans abandon their "foot soldiers". Damned if you do, damned it you don't.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 07:53 PM

So now you disenfranchise the mentally handicapped



Democrats won't vote Republican anyway.


(I thank you for that hanging slider)

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 07:55 PM

I guess I would say that the difference to me is this:

The Willie Horton ad was bullshit.

Obama birther stuff is bullshit.

Obama is an anti-colonial who hates America because of long lost desire to please his African father... is bullshit.

The idea that Obama is a socialist is bullshit.

The inuendo of "Born in America" and "Take our country back" is bullshit.

Compare that to the fact that Republicans had in their official party platform that they wanted to get rid of abortion with no exceptions.

Romney said in the primary he would get rid of FEMA.

George Bush actually attempted to privatize social security

Paul Ryan's own budget wants to turn Medicare into a voucher program.

Republicans say they want to overturn Obamacare keeping people with pre-existing conditions to not be able to get coverage or pay for coverage for the care that they need to survive.

Mitt Romey said he would de-fund Planned Parenthood.

Romney said he wanted to make the lives of immigrants so bad they would self deport our country.

Romney said that 47% of this country has no sense of personal responsibility.

That Republicans have put into place voter restrictions (like voter ID laws) specifically designed to target minorities and take their right to vote away from them


The point is, the things that are scaring these so called "victims" aren't what Democrats are saying about Republicans. it is what is coming out of Republicans own fugging mouths.



None of what you called bullshit is bullshit. In fact, half of it came from Hillary when she was running against Obama for the Dem nomination.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 07:58 PM

Ok so setting the entire pandering issue aside we've learned the dem strategy worked(twice) and the pubs failed. So I'm 2016 do the pubs double down on "taking back our country"? Or do they finally go with a broader appeal?

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 08:14 PM

Well damn, according to King Taharqa, Republicans abandon their "foot soldiers". Damned if you do, damned it you don't.


As long as they get their quick tonged insult in, it does not matter the substance

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 08:16 PM

I learned nothing I didn't already know.

Shame that people would cheerily celebrate electing a man who's all-too-eager to strip them of their individual rights.

But I became disillusioned with politics before I could even vote, so this is nothing new.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 08:25 PM

We live in an area predominately farmers and military. We have African-American neighbors all around our subdivision. 3 houses down from me is an African-American Prinicple at a local elementary school. The local high school prinicple has a doctorates degree and is African-American. So I ask - why does this school which is administered by a very successful African-American, and not within the city limits of any city - why does this school have a 52% drop out rate of young black males?

Its obviously not under-funded, not in a ghetto, not being led by idiots. My asian-american children are sitting right there in the same classrooms with the same teachers and are excelling.

I'm just a little tired of hearing that blacks don't get the same opportunities as others - it was true 40-50 years ago, but is not true today.

The answer has to be elsewhere - maybe family? My wife and I both work - but we always found time to be involved with our childrens school assignments, homework, making sure they studied for exams.....etc.

We raised 5 kids, 3 have gone to college and the last 2 graduate HS this year. All have been taught the importance of being responsible for yourself, your actions and to not rely on the government to solve your problems and take care of you. You want to rise up - it starts with YOU standing up.


I think it is a little bigger than that. Part of the reason I was talking with the Marine was the fact that in spite of the loyalty to the Dems for 60 years, they have gone further and further away from realizing the American Dream.

Dems gave them policies which actually discourage the family unit. There is a huge percentage of black babies born to single moms. Pretty big in other races also, but still, if a mom is to raise kids with the governments help instead of a dads help, the kids are behind already.

I do not know you at all and mean no disrespect, but your kids have a dad and mom which puts them well ahead of the curve. If the single mom is working to raise the kids, she might not be there for the homework and other stuff. And having boys be left alone is a disaster waiting to happen as they grow up.

Bottom line, if government gives you policies leave you in a single parent household, feeds your kids at breakfast, takes care of your kids after school, then the dads role has been subbed out to Uncle Sam. We know how well the government does, well, everything, so just think how well they can do raising your kids.

The government is no substitute for a dad.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 08:52 PM

I found out what I found out in 04'

You can't win an election by hating the incumbent more than how much you support your candidate

This election had more to do with language, tone, and demeanor in big part because of the information age we live in. One side just came across as angry and directionless because they haven't adapted well to the surrounding post-modern social landscape which irritated the majority of sane Americans floating in the middle. Republicans are great with being the --Don't back down, stand your ground, etc.-- personality that is aggressive and confident but they just don't realize how irritating they are to a lot of Americans to the point of where they just get annoyed by it and turn away. I think if they adapted socially to the left (or at least ditched the bedroom policy crap) that would solve a big chunk of their problems and help gain votes.

..and they need to play toward percentage based demographics at a state-by-state level.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 09:36 PM

None of what you called bullshit is bullshit. In fact, half of it came from Hillary when she was running against Obama for the Dem nomination.

Because everyone knows that when a Clinton says something it isn't bullshit /sarcasm

And everything I listed that people have accused Obama of is indeed bullshit.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 09:40 PM

I think it is a little bigger than that. Part of the reason I was talking with the Marine was the fact that in spite of the loyalty to the Dems for 60 years, they have gone further and further away from realizing the American Dream.

Dems gave them policies which actually discourage the family unit. There is a huge percentage of black babies born to single moms. Pretty big in other races also, but still, if a mom is to raise kids with the governments help instead of a dads help, the kids are behind already.

I do not know you at all and mean no disrespect, but your kids have a dad and mom which puts them well ahead of the curve. If the single mom is working to raise the kids, she might not be there for the homework and other stuff. And having boys be left alone is a disaster waiting to happen as they grow up.

Bottom line, if government gives you policies leave you in a single parent household, feeds your kids at breakfast, takes care of your kids after school, then the dads role has been subbed out to Uncle Sam. We know how well the government does, well, everything, so just think how well they can do raising your kids.

The government is no substitute for a dad.


I think this is where the major disconnect is. Everyone can agree that the government is no substitute for being raised in a supportive, two parent household. Liberals want to make sure that there are ways for a single family household to survive if necessary, while conservatives fill that many of those means of survival lead to an easier decision for the family to break up. Really a chicken vs the egg argument when it comes down to it.

I can understand both points of view, but I really don't know how many people out there really think "My kids don't need a dad cause I can just get welfare!" Whatever the problem is, we need to find a way to encourage two parent homes while also providing for families that just cannot be in the ideal family situation for whatever reason.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 09:58 PM

if both parties were all about the needs of the people, would we be in the current state of affairs we are in now?


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