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Greg Hardy getting some national attention

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Who the fug cares what you think about them as people? They're getting the job done and that's all that matters.

Time for the fans to pull their heads of their own asses.

You literally quoted me, acted as if you entirely disagreed with me, and basically made the same point that I made. They're getting it done. That's ultimately what matters. Subjectively, I think Hardy is so incredibly stupid, brash, and frustrating that he comes nowhere close to the class that this organization likes to promote. I look at guys like Al Wallace, Mike Rucker, Mike Minter, Sam Mills, Tyler Brayton and just miss the "good guy" aspect of our defensive line . Peppers even had a great deal of fans and kept his nose clean. Kris Jenkins, while outspoken, was even pretty well behaved here. I think the advent of social media for athletes has opened up a means for these young kids with money to make idiots of themselves in front of the world. Some are smart enough to stay away from it or use it to promote their image and others like Hardy simply use it to show "how they're living", and alienate fans with childish antics and snotty comments.

We do have a lot of really good guys on the defensive side of the ball like Beason, Davis, Luke, Gamble, and others.... but I really wish I could see some personal growth from guys like Hardy and Johnson with the responsibility that they have inherited.

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You literally quoted me, acted as if you entirely disagreed with me, and basically made the same point that I made. They're getting it done. That's ultimately what matters. Subjectively, I think Hardy is so incredibly stupid, brash, and frustrating that he comes nowhere close to the class that this organization likes to promote. I look at guys like Al Wallace, Mike Rucker, Mike Minter, Sam Mills, Tyler Brayton and just miss the "good guy" aspect of our defensive line . Peppers even had a great deal of fans and kept his nose clean. Kris Jenkins, while outspoken, was even pretty well behaved here. I think the advent of social media for athletes has opened up a means for these young kids with money to make idiots of themselves in front of the world. Some are smart enough to stay away from it or use it to promote their image and others like Hardy simply use it to show "how they're living", and alienate fans with childish antics and snotty comments.

We do have a lot of really good guys on the defensive side of the ball like Beason, Davis, Luke, Gamble, and others.... but I really wish I could see some personal growth from guys like Hardy and Johnson with the responsibility that they have inherited.

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We do have a lot of really good guys on the defensive side of the ball like Beason, Davis, Luke, Gamble, and others.... but I really wish I could see some personal growth from guys like Hardy and Johnson with the responsibility that they have inherited.

you know that jon beason or someone in his entourage broke a guy's face at a strip club right.

granted it was the infamous greg frye but anything hardy and johnson have done is small potatoes compared to that. i'm sure some people here also remember thomas davis' pit bulls attacking that woman in his neighborhood because he didn't restrain them properly.

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Screw good guys. I want football players.

Okay, so that's a little over the top, but not much. This organization has had too much of a focus on good guys and safe players. Imo, that is one of the reasons we are on the "soft" side. I want to see someone with some fire, especially on the o-line, and could care less if they tweet pictures of shot glasses on their day off.

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it's not like we want 11 albert haynesworths lining up on defense or something.

the best teams in carolina history had your "high character" minters and ruckers on defense and your delhommes, hoovers, and grosses on offense but they were also balanced out by what were two quite volatile antiheroes at the time in kris jenkins and steve smith.

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You literally quoted me, acted as if you entirely disagreed with me, and basically made the same point that I made. They're getting it done. That's ultimately what matters. Subjectively, I think Hardy is so incredibly stupid, brash, and frustrating that he comes nowhere close to the class that this organization likes to promote. I look at guys like Al Wallace, Mike Rucker, Mike Minter, Sam Mills, Tyler Brayton and just miss the "good guy" aspect of our defensive line . Peppers even had a great deal of fans and kept his nose clean. Kris Jenkins, while outspoken, was even pretty well behaved here. I think the advent of social media for athletes has opened up a means for these young kids with money to make idiots of themselves in front of the world. Some are smart enough to stay away from it or use it to promote their image and others like Hardy simply use it to show "how they're living", and alienate fans with childish antics and snotty comments.

We do have a lot of really good guys on the defensive side of the ball like Beason, Davis, Luke, Gamble, and others.... but I really wish I could see some personal growth from guys like Hardy and Johnson with the responsibility that they have inherited.

Tyler Brayton was not a "good guy".

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You literally quoted me, acted as if you entirely disagreed with me, and basically made the same point that I made. They're getting it done. That's ultimately what matters. Subjectively, I think Hardy is so incredibly stupid, brash, and frustrating that he comes nowhere close to the class that this organization likes to promote. I look at guys like Al Wallace, Mike Rucker, Mike Minter, Sam Mills, Tyler Brayton and just miss the "good guy" aspect of our defensive line . Peppers even had a great deal of fans and kept his nose clean. Kris Jenkins, while outspoken, was even pretty well behaved here. I think the advent of social media for athletes has opened up a means for these young kids with money to make idiots of themselves in front of the world. Some are smart enough to stay away from it or use it to promote their image and others like Hardy simply use it to show "how they're living", and alienate fans with childish antics and snotty comments.

We do have a lot of really good guys on the defensive side of the ball like Beason, Davis, Luke, Gamble, and others.... but I really wish I could see some personal growth from guys like Hardy and Johnson with the responsibility that they have inherited.

Ever think maybe they weren't good guys? Maybe perhaps they were just like Hardy except for the fact social media/smart phones weren't ever present when they were 23-27 years old. Placing your "values" on people and calling them pieces of poo is very harsh in my opinion. I mean if you were a person who never did anything stupid when you were younger then perhaps you have a point.

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Yup. Wasn't too long ago we were afraid someone might poach Chud.

my brain read this as "punch chode." I'm still afraid of that...

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i'd just like to note that anyone who knees jeremy stevens in the dick is a good guy by default

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i'd just like to note that anyone who knees jeremy stevens in the dick is a good guy by default

i loved posting this link when stevens was a buc and tampa bay fans would get a little too feisty with their "steve smith is a thug" accusations:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerramy_Stevens#Legal_troubles

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