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[ladypanther]

......after the election the question is asked....."Did the rape guy win?"

And the response is........."Which one?"

[PhillyB]

there's a measure of truth behind the levity. the disconnect between these guys and the general populace is a widening gulf and if the GOP doesn't find a way to separate themselves from the lunatics it's going to be a mondale-level burial in 2016.

[SZ James]

semi-related:

The most prominent tea party group thinks they lost because Mitt was too moderate

"Today, Tea Party Patriots, the nation’s largest tea party organization, criticized the Republican Party for hand-picking a weak, Beltway elite candidate who failed to campaign forcefully on America’s founding principles – and lost."

http://www.teapartyp...andidate-loses/

This isn't going to change unfortunately

[PhillyB]

lol i am engaged in gripping debate with a brainwashed conservative on facebook who is raging against the GOP not nominating someone like bachmann who would win in a landslide instead of these damn RINOs

pretty funny

[cookinwithgas]

18 percent gender gap, I shudder to think of what it would have been if my conservative friends had not posted so many Facebook pics saying that Obama is waging the real war on women because Pelosi pays her women workers less

[pstall]

reg Ind since 90. every election my votes are all over the place with some dems, reps, libertarians, green party, ind you name it.

the republican party and or conservatives that are staunch have painted themselves into a corner. while you might think they are sticking to their convictions, their very nature is inflexibility.

where as the dems, usually go with the flavor of the month/year and that almost always appeals to the masses.

the ebb and flow will mean reps having to go back towards the middle to even think about gaining traction. i personally like a good mix as the checks and balances keep us from being too extreme. that goes for the left or the right.

[NanuqoftheNorth]

Watching the GOP election night crowd in Boston was like seeing a Mormon Temple gathering in... 1950.

Watching the Dems election night crowd in Chicago was like seeing a cross section of the American public in 2012.

The GOP is rapidly approaching a forced transition. Finding new fiscal conservatives to join the party won't be difficult.

The trick is attracting those voters while trying to maintain dated, socially conservative values.

The type of values that generated the OPs comments. The type of values that drive women and minorities away in droves.

[rodeo]

As ditzy as she can be, I think the smartest thing the GOP can do is make Meghan Mccain their face for the next 4 years. If not her, someone similar. A rejuvinated, young, pro-gay, secular Republican party could really threaten in 2014 and 2016.

Will they do that? Not a chance in hell. They're going to hurl themselves to the right until they fall off the edge.

(I don't mean run her as a candidate, but keep her face on TV etc)

[pstall]

social values while important, can't just be the straw that stirs the drink.

consider this. lets fast forward where every state has gay marriage and legalized weed and immigration reform all states are on the same page as the feds. then what?

in an odd way, at some point, it may truly come down to the nuts and bolts of the economy but by then, it may not really matter.

[Delhommey]

It's not about gay marriage and weed. It's about not appealing to or, hell, even just not insulting a group that's not white and male.

[pstall]

yes del. we get that.

[Panthro]

You might...

[Kevin Greene]

social values while important, can't just be the straw that stirs the drink.

consider this. lets fast forward where every state has gay marriage and legalized weed and immigration reform all states are on the same page as the feds. then what?

in an odd way, at some point, it may truly come down to the nuts and bolts of the economy but by then, it may not really matter.

Obviously gay marriage and legalized weed wont really have a fiscal impact on the economy, unless the Feds start selling and taxing weed of course.
A posession bust is little more than a ticket here in Cali currently so you wouldn't be emptying jails.
Immigration reform on the other hand.
Here in California we have currently about 3 million of the estimated 11 million "Unauthorized immigrant population" in the United States. The cost is immense.
The rest spread throughout the 49 states.
California is a glimpse into the future and is almost to the it may not really matter part you mentioned.
Consdier that 12 years ago California was in the black.
Consider that in 1986 there wasn't any "Unauthorized immigrant population" in California because the Governor signed an amnesty bill and 3 milion Illegals came forward and were granted amnesty.
That was that evil Ronald Reagan guy who penned that.
Here's the may not really matter part:

http://www.usdebtclo...debt-clock.html


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[beach]

I've said this in other threads but I honestly think they just don't care they simply do not connect at a mass social level...at all.

They have a fundamental belief set (that is mainly stemming from bs social views) you have to publicly say you believe in and support at nearly every turn even if it makes you seem like a disingenuine d-head.

And instead of at least trying to find the sharp divides in the 20-30s where they can start courting at least 50% of em', they just shun them all, farting in their general direction for being a young social liberal, fiscal conservative type. They come across as angry and unwilling bunch..but they don't care.

The latino population: well you really don't need an explanation.

As long as they come across as the 'angry people from the suburbs and their fears club', they will never get far

[NanuqoftheNorth]

social values while important, can't just be the straw that stirs the drink.

consider this. lets fast forward where every state has gay marriage and legalized weed and immigration reform all states are on the same page as the feds. then what?

in an odd way, at some point, it may truly come down to the nuts and bolts of the economy but by then, it may not really matter.

Millard Fillmore, the last Whig president

The GOP used to be primarily known for focusing on business, the economy and foreign affairs. On social issues they were pretty moderate, but for the most part that was a secondary concern.

The Dem's had control congress for decades after WWII, but then, they decided to do the right thing and push for civil rights. Not long after that, the GOP was able to swoop in and pick up disaffected Dixiecrats, people that would have previously never, ever, considered voting for the "Party of Lincoln" were now voting for Tricky Dick Nixon.

Ultimately, Dixiecrats ended up transforming the "Party of Lincoln" more than the party transformed the Dixiecrats.

Today, the GOP has a choice, stick with antebellum ideals and ultimately die like the Whigs before them or recreate themselves yet again.

I don't see how that transition takes place without gradually marginalizing the TP and the moral minority.